This is page numbers 525-570 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was health.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. My next question has to do with the go-live date for the system transformation. Can you confirm it's still August 1st? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Ms. Green. Mr. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Yes, absolutely, Mr. Chair. August 1stis still the go-live date, but I want to be very clear that this is a date in a process, in a timeline. As we move forward, we go live. There is still going to be some changes, some evolution that's happening at the regional and community level as we're formulizing and making this new relationship a reality.

I anticipate there will be some growing pains. I anticipate that it will take a couple years to really roll things all the way out to make sure that we're getting all the benefits of a single unified collaborative system, but the boards, the wellness councils will be in place. The CEOs will be in place. The base structure will be in place as far as making the improvements that this structure will allow us to make. Those will take time.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Green.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am wondering what the department has set up to proactively monitor the system transformation as it takes place in order to address issues that might come up? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Ms. Green. Mr. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Yes, absolutely, and for that detail, I will go to the deputy minister, but just related to the last question, as I have indicated previously, there will be a bunch of functions coming out of the department, functions that are providing sort of core service-type services. These are going to be in the authority rather than the department. The department is going to be a ministry. We are going to phase in some of those functions from out of the department into the authority. We anticipate that phase-in is going to take about two years, but as far as monitoring evaluation, I will go to the deputy.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Deputy Minister DeLancey.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Delancey

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. So we are actually just finalizing an evaluation and monitoring approach for the initiative that will have a number of components. One obvious one will be simply tracking the financials that Members have asked about, additional costs, and we are keeping very careful track of how we are spending the federal funding and also tracking the cost of moving to the new structure.

Secondly, we are putting together a proposal for an implementation evaluation, so after about 18 months, we will work with external evaluators to take a look at whether the evaluation has gone as we thought it would, had there been unanticipated problems. The joint leadership council, the new board of management for the authority will, of course, be giving us feedback in terms of what the regions are hearing through the regional wellness council, so if they don't think it's going smoothly, we will hear about it.

Then finally as part of our funding agreement with Health Canada, we have been asked to work with one of the Pan-Canadian health organizations to do an outcome evaluation, so we will be developing a proposal to work with the Canadian Foundation for Healthcare Improvement three or four years down the line and take a look at are we seeing a change in health outcomes and the services that are delivered to people, because that's the driving argument for making this whole transformation. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Deputy Minister DeLancey. Ms. Green.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am happy to hear a comprehensive system of evaluations is going to be developed that don't only consider the financials but also the patient experience and hopefully the benefit of having everyone together. My last question in this section is when the Minister expects to announce the regional wellness council memberships. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Ms. Green. Mr. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I anticipate to give the MLAs a heads up hopefully by the end of this week, and after that, we will notify the successful candidates, two, three weeks.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a couple of questions. Regarding the organ and tissue donation one-time costs, has this been paid to Alberta already? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Not yet.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Where is this money being held then, if it's one-time payment? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Normally, because it was O and M dollars, it would lapse, but given that these dollars are going to be used for a technical or a project infrastructure-type thing, we're looking to have those dollars rolled over into capital, and then we can roll them over into the year or to the next year so that we can continue to work with Alberta.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thanks for that clarification. I was a little concerned if we would be rolling over O and M every year and it's good to see that it's going to capital. If we're still having the challenges, we'll be there.

In regards to your answer to Ms. Green there about ministerial role versus authority role or core functions, and you talked about the ministry or the department shrinking a bit, with authority, is the department and authority actually shrinking, or is it we're going to still have the same amount of staff, just that one will be a ministerial role which would be smaller, and then authority will cover the carrying, the rest of staff. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think the Member described it pretty much exactly right. The department will become a true ministry focused on big-picture policy, big P-type initiatives. Anything that is considered operational or will have direct impact on client delivery will become authority. So it's not a matter of shrinking. It's a matter of aligning it in the appropriate area. Ministry will be smaller. Authority is going to have some additional functions, some things that are currently delivered either at Stanton or in the department, which really should have been operational to begin with.