This is page numbers 525-570 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was health.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Does the department provide funding or operate a crisis intervention hotline with frontline staff who are prepared to assist people experiencing a mental health crisis? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we do have the NWT Helpline. It's available 24-7 for individuals who are struggling, regardless of where you are in the Northwest Territories.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I note that under contributions we find the on-the-land healing fund. That's at $1 million. I'm more familiar with the on-the-land programs through the Department of Justice, but I know there are some difficulties with rolling those programs out. What is the department's experience with the on-the-land healing fund? Is most of that money accessed and spent on these programs? How successful are those programs, based on feedback from clients? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Can I ask, Mr. Testart, this on-the-land healing fund is actually on page 184. We haven't closed page 182 yet. This is one of those chapters where you started your summary and you had to go back to your previous page, so it gets a little confusing, then, moving back to the right-hand side. So, moving on and maintaining continuity, we'll move on to page 184. Then I will give the courtesy to Mr. Testart to carry on to the on-the-land healing fund.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Same question, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. After you turned the page, I clearly forget everything I was discussing on the previous page -- no. I'm just kidding. I totally remember the question.

Government, as a result of the Minister's Forum on Addictions, we actually came forward with funding to support on-the-land programs. We provide that money to the different Aboriginal governments, regional governments here, in the Northwest Territories. We recognize that, although we have some clinical expertise, when it comes to on-the-land programming, those programs should really be delivered by the people in the regions where they're being delivered. So we actually flow money to the different Aboriginal governments, Inuvialuit and Sahtu, Tlicho, who actually design their programs. Occasionally, they ask us to be involved as far as providing some of our clinical expertise, but they actually design and run the programs.

It's really great, actually. We have a wide range of different programs. We have some regions who have decided to do more aftercare-type programs. We've got some regions who have decided to do more prevention-type programs. We have some regions that are doing more of a real on-the-land sort of healing program and some where they've really focused on bringing youth and adults together. So we've got a wide variety, and we're getting huge uptake. We're spending the dollars. The communities or the regions are running these different programs, encouraging people to attend.

We are finalizing some evaluation of them. It's been two years since we've put them in, put these dollars in. So we're currently evaluating some of the successes so that we can share those successes across the different communities and regions so that good ideas can be stolen from one region and utilized in another. We have some pretty significant uptake on these, and they are out there, and they're running, and they're working.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The evaluation, can the Minister speak briefly about the evaluation criteria and whether or not we're going to clients on their experiences with the program and the successes of the program directly and how they had an effect on clients' lives in treating some of these issues? I appreciate that it's a success in terms of rolling the funding out and getting the programs offered, but I'm looking to see if the department is taking a very critical eye to how effective these programs are and then can share those successes with our own Indigenous governments and governments across Canada. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Deputy Minister DeLancey.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Delancey

Thanks, Mr. Chair. So one of the key points about the design of this fund, as the Minister noted, is that we don't try to run programs that will work for regions across the territories. We give the money to the experts, which is the Aboriginal governments. They often top it up, and they design what works and is needed in their region.

This makes it a challenge to come up with an evaluation framework, so we've tackled this in two stages. We have, of course, reporting requirements. We get information from the Aboriginal governments, what programs they ran, how many people participated. We get some client satisfaction feedback. We're then, for phase two, we have started working with two of the Aboriginal governments to look at how do we develop an evaluation framework that has enough flexibility that it allows us to do the things the Member is talking about, which is tracking those longer-term outcomes, also allows the Aboriginal government or Aboriginal sponsor to track the things they care about. It becomes quite complex.

You overlay that with the complexity of: what is an effective treatment program? Sometimes it's just helping somebody take that first step. So it's not a straightforward outcome evaluation, so, as I say, we've addressed it in two parts. We do get activity reports. We do get all the information we've asked for. We’re trying to work in partnership to take it to that next level. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Deputy Minister DeLancey. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. When does the department anticipate that they'll have some results to share with the public and Members of this House or a complete -- or, if we're not ready for results, then perhaps that final piece, the evaluation framework?

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we can share some of the outputs right now, actually, as far as, like, how many people attended, some of the results from the satisfaction surveys, those types of things.

It's the deeper sort of evaluation that the deputy was talking about that we're developing the evaluation framework now. That one is going to take a little bit more time, but I'm happy to provide the Members with some of the more immediate output stuff. I can provide that to committee. I probably just need a couple of days to get it sort of put together in a format that will be good.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the Minister. I am interested in kind of that deeper dig into seeing the -- I didn't hear a date on when we can expect the work to be completed. I know these things take time, but I can only assume that the department has a timeline it's working on; it's not just an infinite date. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I missed that part of the question, obviously. The evaluation framework is going to be developed and finalized this fiscal year, and then data will flow over time. The evaluation framework will be done this fiscal year, so we should have some initial data. With this type of analysis, we need a couple of years of data to really be able to make informed decisions and opinions about what's happening. I can provide the more immediate stuff to Members, up to date, from what we have.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

I just had some quick questions on the Mental Health and Addictions funding. As a contribution, how does that differ from the Community Mental Health and Addictions, the bulk of the funding? Who is currently receiving it, and what kind of programs are being operated? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Minister.