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Tabled Document 82-18(2): Letter From Marshall & Company Barristers & Solicitors To Minister Of Justice Regarding M. M. De Weerdt Law Library
Tabling of Documents

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table the letter dated June 20, 2016, to the Minister of Justice from Austin Marshall of Marshall & Company expressing concerns about the closure of the NWT court library. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 83-18(2): Summary Of Members’ Absences For The Period February 18, 2016 To May 30, 2016
Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Tabling of documents. Pursuant to Section 5 of the Legislative Assembly Executive Council Act, I wish to table the "Summary of Member's Absences for the period February 18, 2016 to May 30, 2016." Masi.

Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in the Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters, Tabled Document 50-18(2) with Member for Mackenzie Delta in the chair. By motion 18-18(2), I hereby authorize the House to sit beyond the daily hour of adjournment to consider the business before the House. Masi.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, committee. I call the Committee of the Whole to order. Mr. Beaulieu, what is the wish of the committee?

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, committee wishes to consider Tabled Document 50-18(2): "NWT Main Estimates 2016-2017." We would like to continue the Department of Justice, Lands, Transportation, Public Works, Municipal and Community Affairs, Legislative Assembly, and Finance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. We will continue after a short recess. Thank you.

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Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

We'll begin consideration of the Department of Justice. Minister, would you like to bring in witnesses to the Chamber?

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, I would, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber. Thank you, Minister Sebert. Please introduce your witnesses.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Kim Schofield to my left, director of finance; Sylvia Haener, deputy minister, to my right.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Committee, we'll begin on page 271. Justice, court services, operation expenditure summary, total activity, $13,928,000. Are we agreed? Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I think where we ended off on Friday was I was asking the department some questions about the court library. I understand that the Law Society of the Northwest Territories and the Northwest Territories Law Foundation have made significant contributions towards the operation of the library over a number of years and so it's quite an investment on their part. Would the Minister be prepared to meet with the Law Society and the Law Foundation to talk about the future of the facility? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Chair, the situation we're envisaging for the future is to have a resource centre. Certainly, when we are discussing such a project, we would be discussing that with the Law Foundation, Law Society and the local bar. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Any further questions, Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the commitment from the Minister to meet with the Law Society and the Law Foundation about the court library and its future. Would the Minister also commit to bring forward a plan or maybe a transition plan for the court library into this resource centre, and would he be prepared to bring that plan forward to the Standing Committee on Social Development? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Mr. Chair, once we decided that it was advisable to close the current facility, we're looking at, of course, a resource centre as part of our legal outreach. There's many issues that have to be determined; the type of centre that would be, where it would be located, and so on. We will of course consult with those parties when we are deciding what kind of facility would be most suitable. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Any further questions? Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Again, I appreciate the commitment of the Minister to meet with these interested investors in the court library. Would he be prepared to bring forward a plan to the standing committee on Social Development on how the court library is going to transition into this research centre? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

We would be prepared to do that, Mr. Chair, because we're always interested -- those are important investors, as was mentioned, in the resource centre, so we would be prepared to appear before Standing Committee to discuss the resource centre. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Any further questions? Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the commitment of the Minister to appear before Standing Committee with this plan. Would that plan also include what is going to happen to the books and the resources that are actually in the court library? The reason why I mention this is that it's my understanding that there are some volumes and some information, some documents, books in there that are the only known copy on this planet, and they are of a great historical value for people that would want to do research on the history of the Northwest Territories, our legislation and so on. And I know that our library here at the Legislative Assembly already has a bunch of stuff in storage underneath the post office. And I'm not sure that there's been a real plan for what's going to happen with the resources of the court library. So in coming forward to standing committee, would the Minister also include a plan for what's going to happen with the resources that are currently in the court library? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Chair, those elements of the collection that are deemed to be of historical value would be identified and retained with the department's legal division or considered for transfer to the archives or the Legislative Assembly Library. The remaining collection would be offered for donation to other NWT libraries or disposed of by gift to law firms or possibly by destruction. It is expected the bulk of the collection will likely be offered to the resident lawyers on a first come first served basis. I understand that is what took place when the library was downsized to its current size, Mr. Chair. Thank you.