Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we like to think there is a number of advantages, one of them being the risk. There is a risk that goes onto the proponent through a P3 process. There's value for money. Before we determine whether we're going into a P3 process or not, we do have a deputy minister's committee that reviews it. Then the Minister will make a recommendation to the FMB, whether there's some merit going to P3 or not, once you do the balance of the positives and the negatives going towards a project rather than a traditional procurement process. But we think that it's a direction that more larger projects might go in the future. We've heard one of the directions that Canada would prefer, the jurisdictions as well. So there's a lot of value to it, and we'll continue to share all the information we have with committee as to some of the benefits of the P3 process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Debates of Nov. 4th, 2016
This is page numbers 1363 – 1380 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was work.
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Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart Kam Lake
One of the challenge of being a territorial government versus a provincial or the federal government is we have a debt limit that's controlled by Ottawa and is capped. How do P3s interact with our debt limit? Can we find more flexibility through P3 financing through our own borrowing?
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
In a P3 project is just what we bookmark for the project that goes towards our debt limit. So, for example, if the project is worth -- let's use $100 million as an example. If we have to put in $50 million, well $50 million would go toward our debt limit. If we go through the traditional procurement services, then all the money that's bookmarked for that particular project will go towards our debt limit.
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart Kam Lake
Thank you to the Minister for that answer. It seems that we do need to explore other options to suit our unique circumstances as a territory. If we're going to invest in infrastructure today, we need to look up those options so we can free up more time for investment. So it sounds like the Minister is doing that, and that's great, but how are we ensuring adequate oversight of P3 projects? Can the Minister provide honourable Members with some examples?
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
We find that this is a way to have our infrastructure dollars go further, and some of the risk being on the proponent. So I think there's some value there. As far as oversight, I'll used the Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway for an example. We have an Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Oversight Committee that meets regularly and gets updates on the highway. So that type of oversight will continue for any of the other projects that we go through a P3 process; we get updated on Stanton quite regularly, we get updated on the Mackenzie fibre optic link quite regularly. So we have an enormous amount of oversight in these committees, and we feel that, in the future, this is the direction to, as I said before, stretch out our infrastructure dollars a lot more to get more projects for the residents of the Northwest Territories. It's something that we would continue to pursue, unless we have a compelling reason not to.
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Minister for obliging. I raise these questions because members of the public do have concerns about these P3s. So is there a way we could make P3s more transparent? I was really encouraged by the Minister of Public Engagement and Transparency's statement today. Is the Department of Finance working on a way to bring more of this information to light and allow the public to have a better sense of why we use P3s and why it's an effective tool for this government, and that they are being held accountable for the millions of dollars we're investing in them? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, we do have a P3 policy that's readily available online. We might have to make it a little more accessible or put it right on the front page, because sometimes you have to navigate your way through the system to get at number of these policies. So we'll ensure that the policy itself is readily available if people want to have a look at it. But I think their big concern is not so much the policy, but the fact that this government wants to stretch our investments out a little further, get more projects for the communities across the Northwest Territories, because a lot of these people want to work. So, you know, we'll continue to do what we can to allow our infrastructure money to go a lot further.
Question 466-18(2): Public Private Partnership Funding
Oral Questions
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services. As I said in my Member's statement, I understand there's some good work under way developing the new Disabilities Action Plan. My questions are more by way of an update. Can the Minister confirm the status of the actions reported on in the reply to our disabilities motion, and whether we're on track to have a new plan in place by March 31st? Mahsi.
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in March there was a motion that all Members of the House supported, including Members on this side. We have moved forward, we have begun the development of the plan. We intend to have it done March 31, as originally indicated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions
November 3rd, 2016

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Thank you to the Minister for that reassurance. Of course, having a plan is one thing; but if the plan is not to suffer the fate of the last one, we'll need deliverables, evaluation, and reporting. Can the Minister commit that no plan will be produced without these features, including a mandatory annual reporting to this Assembly and an evaluation framework?
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
That is the intention. We intend to have a plan outlining the services and whatnot that are provided today and identifying any gaps in services we need to provide, as well as an opportunity to have mechanisms to evaluate as we move forward.
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
To break out one of the multiple questions there, could the Minister commit to annual reporting to the Assembly on the Disabilities Plan once it is delivered?
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
We'll certainly work with committee. We will keep them updated both with the review and the report, as well as moving forward.
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Finally, on this point, I'm wondering whether the Minister will deliver with this plan a costed implementation plan and the assignment of the resources needed to deliver on it. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Mr. Speaker, I knew the money question was coming. The Member has asked pretty much for money on every initiative that we're working on, which I appreciate, and obviously we would love to put money into these initiatives. The problem is, we have an expenditure versus revenue challenge here in the Government of the Northwest Territories. Any money that we put into new initiatives, new programs, is going to cost money, and that money has to come from somewhere.
As I've committed on the other questions the Member has asked, we're going to look carefully at how we're spending our money to make sure that we're getting maximum benefit for the dollars. If we have to re-profile how we're spending the dollars in order to get maximum benefit, we're prepared to do that. Once that's done, if it turns out we need some additional dollars, I'm prepared to work with committee and Members to try to find those dollars from within existing resources so that we can make appropriate investment, but it's going to take the will of both sides to find areas to reduce in order to invest in new areas. So I'm not going to commit to having a fully costed plan at this point, because I think we have to have a lot more discussion on where our future investments are going to go, but I'm prepared to push for it.
Question 467-18(2): Development Of A New Disabilities Action Plan
Oral Questions
Question 468-18(2): Medical Travel Policy And Non-Medical Escorts
Oral Questions

Shane Thompson Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A couple of days ago I was asking the Minister of Health and Social Services some questions about medical travel, and I'd like to follow up with a couple of questions that I didn't get to ask that day. With the different authorities, with Hay River and Behchoko or Tlicho, does the medical travel policy still apply to that community, the ones that the department has developed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 468-18(2): Medical Travel Policy And Non-Medical Escorts
Oral Questions
Question 468-18(2): Medical Travel Policy And Non-Medical Escorts
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
I'm not sure I understand the question 100 per cent. If a resident of the Northwest Territories is given a referral to a community outside of their home community for a service, if they are required to go to another community to receive services, whether it's somebody going to Fort Resolution for an appointment or somebody from Simpson going to Edmonton or Yellowknife, medical travel will apply, and if there is a legitimate need for an escort, those needs will also be met. So I'm not sure I understand the question 100 per cent.
Question 468-18(2): Medical Travel Policy And Non-Medical Escorts
Oral Questions

Shane Thompson Nahendeh
I thank the Minister for the answer. He kind of answered the question. What I was asking, though, was: is that policy, the medical travel policy developed by the Department of Health and Social Services, applicable across the territories? I think the Minister answered the question, saying it does.
So my second question, and maybe he can answer this one. I shouldn't say can, I know he can. In regard to non-medical escorts, when people move from a small community to a larger centre, sometimes they lose that support system. So what is the process to allow people to get non-medical travel that are not in that community? So if I move from Fort Simpson to Hay River and I don't have the support system there and I need a medical escort, what is the process so that people from the community that they live in can help support that patient?
Question 468-18(2): Medical Travel Policy And Non-Medical Escorts
Oral Questions

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
This does happen from time to time. But to be clear, a medical escort, non-medical escort, still needs to be referred or supported by a practitioner. It's not a choice that the individuals get to make; they still have to have support. If there's a legitimate need, an escort will be provided.
I understand the situation the Member is describing. If Jane Doe lives in a community, has to go to Edmonton, but their daughter, spouse, whatnot, happens to live in a different community, how do we get the right people together? It's usually done through an exception request. This is something that an individual can request. It usually has to be escalated up further than the administrators who are actually doing the day-to-day administration of the program. But it is something that happens; it is an exception request.