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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Start under disaster comments. I see there is only $15,000 there. As you may know, in previous years, especially in Fort McPherson and sometimes Aklavik, we have a lot of flooding in these areas, a lot of camps that are usually under water. This spring I have seen a couple of houses floating there. It is at the same water level as DOT stores its ferries. It is within reason. Just offhand, would the deputy minister know how many claims we have had in that area? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. Mr. Campbell.

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Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This Disaster Compensation program with the $15,000 is for natural disasters such as floods as the Member mentioned. I just want to touch on another program that is in place to assist harvesters as well. That is the fire disaster compensation program as well. That program starts with $100,000. As far as the number of claims recently from the Beaufort Delta area, we would have to get back to the Member with those numbers. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Blake.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, it just felt like that number is kind of low, there. I know one year we had over 20 camps that were underwater, so for the future I think a little more needs to be put into that area. But in another area here, under the local wildlife committees. This refers to the RRCs, HTCs, and whatnot; one thing the RRCs in my riding have noticed is that they're using a lot of their own funds to operate the RRC. I see it says band councils here, but I’m not sure if the money goes directly to the Gwichyaa Gwich’in, for example, and Tsiigehtchic. You know, they operate the RRC, and usually they get their funds from the Gwich'in Tribal Council. I'd just like to find out exactly where the money flows for renewable resource councils. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. Mr. Campbell.

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Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. For the exact numbers, we would have to get back on the numbers. The dollars for local wildlife communities or local authorities flows directly from our regional office to those co-management processes or, in non–land claim areas, to the local authority there. In some cases, they have hunters' and trappers' councils or associations. In others, the local band councils or the Metis councils are the local authorities, so those dollars flow from the regional office to those organizations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Blake.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just under the fur pricing program, you know, I know we're well above other agents like the Yukon and other areas throughout Canada. I sure hope this program continues. It really helps out the trappers. I just wanted to commend the department on that. I know the struggles they have in the Yukon compared to our trappers here in the NWT, and I've really noticed a lot more younger people going out trapping. It goes to show that Take a Kid Trapping is very successful, and I just hope that those programs continue. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. Mr. Campbell.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The fur pricing program, or the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program, is certainly a renowned program that started way back in the 1990s and I know a lot of jurisdictions in Canada certainly appreciate the program that we have in the Northwest Territories where the GNWT guarantees a price for our harvesters on the different species. I recently returned from a convention, the Fur Harvesters Association Convention. We are absolutely going to continue the program, and we're actually looking at ways of enhancing the program. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Blake.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Just going back a couple of years ago, you know, I really like the work the department has done on the area of… You know, we have a young trapper out of Hay River. His name doesn't hit me right now, but I'm sure you know who I'm referring to. He works with the fur harvesting program, and I like to see that sort of trapping highlighted. You can even get it on satellite TV. I watch it. The reason is, here in the NWT, we use Conibear traps. These are the latest codes we follow here in the NWT, and anybody who watches Yukon Men, you know, those programs in Alaska that still use leg hold traps. I mean, the only way you could use leg hold traps here in NWT is drown sets. That sort of thing I like to see, what we do here in the NWT, because it's humane and that's the way everybody should be following. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Blake. I believe the trapper you refer to is Andrew Stanley. Minister Schumann or Mr. Campbell?

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Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We at the Department of Environment and Natural Resources continue to work with ITI, with that documentary-type stuff that's going on in the Hay River area. When I mentioned looking at other ways of enhancing our program, I think we want to explore in other regions. We can take advantage of, as the Member identifies, our approaches and how the tools that our trappers in the Northwest Territories use to harvest humanely. We started this many, many years ago on a Trap Exchange Program. It all goes back to humane trapping standards set nationally and internationally, and we're certainly a leader in the Northwest Territories in that area. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Next on my list I have Mr. Testart.

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I also have questions about the fur pricing program. I'm wondering if the department can share with us the subscription rate, or how many people are using this program, and if it's another one of our programs that's over-subscribed.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Campbell.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The fur pricing program has a revolving fund with the amount that we see identified there of over $400,000. It's not over-subscribed at this point. There is the odd time where it is slightly over-subscribed, but again we look internally at covering that. For the most part, it's a guaranteed price for the harvesters and, when the harvester gets the returns from the auction, a lot of that money flows back into the program. We watch it quite closely. We base our advance prices to the trappers on market prices and try to find that balance where we guarantee a price to the trappers for the species. However, we want to make sure that we don't get over-subscribed. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the department for that answer. The price subsidies, are they based solely on market rates or is there a component where the trappers are canvassed on are they getting enough, and is it sustainable? Is there like a take-home survey kind of thing where the department is actually talking to the trappers and finding out how they feel it's working for them? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Campbell.

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Campbell

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The process is primarily done internally. We do, as I mentioned, assess the market prices, and the advance amount that we provide to the harvesters is usually close to market price. There is the understanding that markets do fluctuate and, for the most part, the fur that's sold that meets the advance price, and goes back into the revolving fund. Any fur sold that's over the advance price, the trapper will receive those benefits. If fur is sold below the advance price that we give to the trappers, that's where the Government of the Northwest Territories absorbs those costs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Campbell. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So is the department soliciting or receiving feedback from people benefitting from the program?