Just one more. Yes, I appreciate that that is a goal and not a definition, and for sure this work is going to be hard. I don’t think that we should wait for the federal government. I think that we need to consider in our own context what poverty is. We often hear that people with low income don’t feel like they live in poverty, so it's not only income driven, but we do hear that lots of people don’t have enough food to eat.

So I think that we really have to make the effort to do that, and I think the biggest danger here is overthinking it and making it complicated, and that's why I'm talking about 25 per cent poverty reduction for children in five years. It should be something that you can spit out in a sentence that everybody understands and everybody can support without getting into a monster, you know, 150 words, this is what poverty means to us. So I just also say that with the provision of the new Stats Canada information starting to flow now, I think that we're going to see some additional indicators of poverty that may inform the kind of work we need to do on indicator. With that, I'll bring my comments to a close. Thank you.