Masi. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.
Debates of Feb. 23rd, 2017
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Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
Oral Questions

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would love to be able to stand here and say that we have all of the answers figured out. The honest truth is that we don't. However, I do know that the data shows that one in six households in Yellowknife are in core need due to affordability. That tells me that we have a serious problem with people being able to afford the rental accommodations in the Yellowknife area and, therefore, a rent subsidy program makes sense. It actually makes more sense than building more public housing when you do it on a cost-analysis basis. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Kieron Testart Kam Lake
Thank you to the Minister. I appreciate that she is well aware of this problem. It seems like this new program will not build houses. How is it going to save money or subsidize the cost of living for renters? It does not sound like we have much of a program, just an idea of one, but we do have that six-month commitment, so I am trying to tease out a few pieces of this so we can understand where we are going to be in six months.
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
It probably won't be a big leap to actually develop this program. It would be a program on its own. Public housing is still a need, and we will still be looking at that. However, we do currently provide a transitional rent supplement program that is ineffective because it ends after two years and, in my opinion, people don't often have the skills that they need or the income to be able to be left without that support. So instead of having a transitional rent support program, it's merely transferring it over and actually having more of a long term. Like I said, it is more cost effective to provide subsidies to people to deal with affordability than try to build new buildings. The longer-term plan would be to have buildings, but the shorter-term intervention is to provide subsidies.
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Kieron Testart Kam Lake
Does the Minister have an idea about the range of these subsidies? Is it going to be targeted at lower-income earners or is it going to be a broader range that will capture the middle class as well, people with good-paying jobs but who are still facing a very high cost of living burden? So what's the range, the income range?
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
Due to the high needs of residents within the whole Northwest Territories and our current wait list to access public housing support, we will not be, probably, at this point extending our income threshold. So it would be for people who are at moderate to low income. I don't know the exact rate for Yellowknife, but I believe it's under $100,000 a year.
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Kieron Testart Kam Lake
Mr. Speaker, it would be nice if the Minister did have that information because I know from personal experience that the current rent supplement program doesn't capture middle class earners and it does not do a lot to support that bracket, and that's a very important bracket. When we want to attract new labour, when we want to encourage young people to stay in the North, we've got to do more than just offer SFA, student financial assistance, and municipal loans; we need to offer real opportunities in the North, and that starts with a place to live.
So again, will the Minister commit to developing a program that supports renters and specifically that supports middle-class renters, expands that income bracket so we can support more people who are struggling to make ends meet in the City of Yellowknife? Thank you.
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
Oral Questions

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake
As I stated earlier, we have a huge number of people in need within the Northwest Territories as a whole. We have over 600 families with children that do fall within our current income assessment. At this point, I am not willing to expand the income thresholds as they currently are. If we ever get to the place where we can address all of the low-income people within the Northwest Territories, then I would look at expanding that, but at this current point we cannot.
Question 642-18(2): Rental Accommodation Subsidies
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Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh
Marci cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have questions for the Minister of Lands on the leases and taxes and rent or whatever the term is for land tenure. I'd like to ask the Minister if he would look at lowering the cost of land lease or rentals at least in the communities I represent. I don't know what the situations are in others. So I'd like to ask that question first. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Louis Sebert Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, the department is attempting to rationalize the leasing procedures so that the amounts of lease payments on both Commissioner's lands and territorial lands will be the same. I don't think we could make specific exceptions for any communities.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh
I just didn't want to speak for other communities, but that's generally what I'm looking for. So if they're making them the same, I'm assuming that the Minister is now talking about going with a more reasonable amount? On the leases, previously we were getting leases in small communities for about $600 a year, and for the value and if you compared to other communities that's very much in line, but now we have new leases on old houses that could be as high as $4,000, which is kind of comparable to paying taxes on a house that's worth $750,000 to $1 million in the City of Yellowknife.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Louis Sebert Thebacha
Yes, we are contemplating an increase of the current minimums. There hasn't been a change for many years. Again, the lease payments are based on the assessed value of the property.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh
The assessed value being applied to any piece of property when you're developing a tax, you use a mill rate; currently, the department is using 10 per cent as a mill rate. So effectively it's not really a mill rate; it's a rent, but they're essentially using 10 per cent of the value.
So you have a piece of property there that's appraised in accordance with the land policy at roughly $40,000, which is pretty standard across the small communities; the taxes or the rent or the lease on that property is $4,000. That's totally unreasonable. I don't want to talk about the increase to the minimums; that's another matter altogether. We're increasing either from $250 up or $600 up, but to go to $4,000 is very unreasonable. Will the Minister look at that?
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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February 22nd, 2017

Louis Sebert Thebacha
The Member opposite has referenced the 10 per cent on which the land rentals or leases are based; that's a long-standing procedure, and I would submit that it is reasonable.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn't hear if the Minister said it wasn't reasonable or it is reasonable, but if he said it is reasonable, of course I have to disagree. We have elders in the community and, fortunately, they get the seniors relief, tax relief, so in this particular situation or this type of situation it's 50 per cent. So an elder whose income is Old Age Security, which is approximately $1,000 a month, is asked to pay $2,000 after their tax relief is applied, $2,000, so that's two months' worth of income for that elder. So is the Minister telling me that it's reasonable for people everywhere to pay two months of their salary to land taxes for one year? Thank you.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Louis Sebert Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I simply said that the tax rate was and is reasonable. It's based on a fair assessment of the property. The property is assessed and the leasing costs are then applied. As the Member opposite has noted, those who are seniors do get a discount.
Question 643-18(2): Land Lease Assessments
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Question 644-18(2): Residential Mental Health Worker For Tsiigehtchic
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Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, follow-up to my Member's statement. I have a couple of questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services. I'd like to ask the Minister: what policies are in place to guide health authorities and communities through these kinds of abrupt transitions like moving a resident mental health worker? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 644-18(2): Residential Mental Health Worker For Tsiigehtchic
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Question 644-18(2): Residential Mental Health Worker For Tsiigehtchic
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Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciated the Member's statement today. I thought it was quite good and I think it hit a number of the points. I think one of the key points there is that, ultimately, our staff do have the ability to leave positions as they might to pursue other jobs.
As far as transition, the more time we have the more transition we can provide to ensure that services aren't impacted. The particular case the Member is referring to, I don't have the details so I don't know exactly what happened in the community with respect to that position.
Question 644-18(2): Residential Mental Health Worker For Tsiigehtchic
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Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta
How will the department act to improve regularity and consistency in mental health services provided to our small communities like those in the Mackenzie Delta?