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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy Minister Hagen.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. There is legislation coming in this 18th Assembly; we expect to have some rolled out here in 2017-18. We do have the office set up now. Actually, we are staffed up almost 90 per cent in securities. Like you know, the securities on a development is set, not by Lands, but by the land and water boards. It is collected and kept by the Minister of Lands and by the Minister of ENR for water. The land and water boards, I think, Mr. O'Reilly, you are well aware, they set the amounts of security. I haven't heard or seen of any operation or development out there that do not have security on it going forward or even going back. If, you know, go back far enough -- let's say back 20 years. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Deputy Minister Hagen. Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. We can compete about who has got a longer memory. Certainly with Giant there was $400,000. It is going to cost the taxpayers probably over a billion dollars, maybe even closer to two by the time it gets remediated. Even as recently as last year with Norman Wells, there is no financial security, or not enough set aside. Now it is $180 million. The Minister could accept a promissory note on the back of a napkin as financial security. That is just not good enough. There is certainly still room for improving and making greater accountability through our legislation. I know the Minister would never accept something on the back of a napkin, but I know that he will be happy to change that legislation to make sure that future Ministers can't do that either. I just want to get into a couple of specifics here. With the Cantung Mine, have we given back this surface lease to the federal government? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I am told that we haven't yet. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Is that going to happen sometime soon, or how soon? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I will let Mr. Hagen respond to that question.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy Minister Hagen.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Hagen

Only on Cantung it is in care and maintenance under the federal government. Inspectors are federal inspectors. Now we are in discussions that have been moving along fairly well. INAC has said in correspondence they are going to take administrative control of the whole site back, which is right now in the process of happening. I would suspect within the next two months, the feds will be totally in control of Cantung.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Deputy Minister Hagen. Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Glad to hear that. I really look forward to getting that lease back to them and reducing our exposure. Let's talk a little bit about Prairie Creek now. This surface lease is in over-hold tenancy. When are we going to put in place full financial security for the assets that are on the ground right now? As any other operator has to have up-front financial security, when are we going to do that for Prairie Creek so that we are not exposed? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Prairie Creek. The government is protected from historic liability at Canadian Zinc Prairie Creek Mine through the terms of the devolution agreement. I understand that Canadian Zinc, the proponent, has met all security requirements under its permits, licence, and authorization. The Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board has set a total security amount at $17,700,000, which the company will be required to post in stages as the project proceeds. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. We could have a great debate here. My concern is the longer our fingerprints are on that through the surface lease the more difficult it is going to be for us to try to make a case to the federal government that they can and should take it back. So we've got the ability to increase the security to cover the existing assets that are on the ground, the existing liabilities; why can't we do something about it now? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Well, Mr. Chair, I understand that the Mackenzie Land and Water Board sets the security and they've determined that the amount should be $17,070,000.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Time has expired. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to go back to my colleague from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh who was talking about the leases. I guess my first question is: how do they come up with these lease agreement calculations in the small designated authorities? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

February 22nd, 2017

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, the properties are assessed by MACA and on that basis the evaluation of what the rent or lease amount should be, so it's evidence-based.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matter

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister Sebert, Mr. Thompson.