Thank you Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, with me today on my right is the assistant deputy minister of corporate services, Derek Elkin, and on my left, the director of infrastructure planning, Perry Heath.
Debates of Sept. 27th, 2017
This is page numbers 2785 – 2828 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.
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The Chair R.J. Simpson
Thank you, Minister. I will open the floor to general comments. We have a few MLAs who have not spoken to the department with general comments. Would anyone like to make general comments? Mr. Nakimayak.
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Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, looking at the plans, it is good to see that the long-term care facilities are getting a boost in beds and taking care of our elders. The Minister mentioned a few times during the session that aging in place is also important. I would just like to point out one of my communities, Ulukhaktok, in particular. That community holds a lot of culture; two different languages, two different dialects, and it is important for elders to remain in the community to continue to blend with the youth and the other community members. I believe, next year, I think it is important to start to look at facilities for elders in the communities as we move ahead. Other than that, I do not really have much else to say. That is it. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, similar to questions that were raised yesterday, when it comes to long-term care facilities, those are level 3/4 facilities for individuals who are no longer to live independently and have medical issues that need to be addressed in a 24/7 facility. Given the model, we are not looking to develop those in smaller communities, but rather communities where we do have medical practitioner positions on site and where there is a greater degree of care available given the acuity of these patients. We absolutely without question support aging in place. We want to keep our people in their homes and in their communities for as long as possible.
We do not have money in the Health and Social Services capital budget for independent living units, but the Housing Corporation has been very creative over the last number of years and they have been a great partner in the design of these independent living units where we could actually incorporate programs based on other things.
I cannot remember what the status of different long-term care facilities in the Nunakput riding are, but I am sure the Minister of Housing can certainly give you an update on that.
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The Chair R.J. Simpson
Thank you, Minister. Anything further? I see nothing further from Mr. Nakimayak. Anyone else with general comments? Mr. McNeely.
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Daniel McNeely Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I look forward to going through the capital plans for this department as noted here. There is a new facility going up in the riding of the Sahtu in particular, in the community of Tulita. As we know, Tulita has their encounters with varmints running around the property, and in order to attract new personnel, and preferably long-term employees of the department, facing the challenges like any other small community has, with limitations, including the high cost of living of groceries, for example. A new piece of property would really enhance the attraction of professional people in that area. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I appreciate the Member's comments. The community health centre in Tulita is certainly one that definitely needs to be replaced. There has been a lot of debate in this House about the status of that building, both in this Assembly and the previous Assembly, with things like mice and other critters, if you will, in the facility, and the challenges that has for our staff and for the community.
We are excited to move forward with that facility. What we are looking at, obviously, is to get some work done in the 2018-2019 fiscal year. Hopefully, if everything works out the way we were hoping, we might see some supplies rolling in the winter road in 2019.
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Daniel McNeely Sahtu
Thank you for the allowance, Mr. Chair. I just want to make a comment that I look forward to working with both departments of Public Works and Services, or a DOY now on the end of department, to try and merge some input from the community on the cultural design of the appearance of the building so it fits with the community leadership's input into the image of the building, not necessarily the technical side of the interior where it is more to meet health standards. I am thinking the outside definitely would be of interest to the community, to have some cultural features of the building. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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September 26th, 2017

Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Member is right. When it comes to some of the program space and the technical requirements to meet things like code and program design and infection control, those are things that I think do need to be done by the experts who are aware of those codes and those standards that we have to apply on all health stations. When it comes to getting input into some of the components the Member is referring to, some of the cultural components and maybe some of the aesthetics of the building, we really do rely on the regional wellness councils to provide us with advice and guidance. The regional wellness council is made up of residents from across the entire region. They are a great resource, and they are from different communities. I do believe we have a representative from Tulita, so we are really looking forward to getting input from them, and having them engage and collect information for the residents as well.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Not so much a general comment. It is on page 32. I see that the capital budget for the department jumps around quite a bit. In 2016-2017, the actuals were $34.8 million. Last year, the original estimate was $13.1 million, and it ended up being $45.6 million. This year, it is about $14 million. What is going on with the expenditures from the department? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Heath
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The budgets are reflective of carry-overs and work not getting done, and it shows up as previous expenditures.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. I will just pick 2017-2018. To go from $13.1 million to $45.6 million in terms of the revised estimates, that is a pretty big jump. Are we just not planning facilities very well, or contractors are not building things on time? What is going on? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Heath
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Department of Health works really closely with its partners, the Department of Infrastructure, and plans jobs as accurately as possible. We do not necessarily have a whole lot of control over contractors and their determining processes and how they schedule things, and there are always eventualities and realities of living in the Northwest Territories that impact projects, and we struggle to and try our best to plan projects as accurately as possible, but often, there are things beyond our control. It happened in implementation that affects our carry-overs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the answer from the department. Can you just maybe give me two or three examples of large carry-overs, then, for 2017-2018? I know I might be jumping the gun in terms of the public accounts, but what were just two or three of the big carry-over items that did not get done? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Glen Abernethy Great Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I cannot remember at what point in the schedule the Department of Finance will bring forward supplementals identifying when carry-overs are required and when carry-overs are needed, but that is something that does come through this House. I cannot remember off the top of my head what the specifics of the last carry-over were, but we will look at the previous financial documents and provide the Member with a list of some of the carry-overs from the last budget.