This is page numbers 2785 – 2828 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Green.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you for that response. At what point does the furniture go in there, and the rooms get set up, and all that sort of thing? Is that within this six months, or is that in addition to it? Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Ms. Green. Minister.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we will have staff in the building doing mock runs of processes, mock runs of other things. Some of the structure, furniture, et cetera, will be moved in, but for warranty purposes we would obviously be looking at putting off or moving the substantial amount of the furniture until sort of the last minute in order to make sure that we have insurance coverage and we're not wasting warranty time or insurance time, warranty time on facilities that are sitting in an empty building.

It will progress in, and not all divisions or sections are going to move in at the same time. That would never work. We're going to phase a move-in, so different units at different times. The units that obviously have some crossover, we'll want to coordinate those so that we're moving them in in a coordinated, logical fashion. It will all be planned out, phased out, in light of demands in different units, staffing, equipment, when we want to move those types of things in.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Green.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The phased move-in, how long will that take? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Ms. Green. Minister. Thank you, Minister. Mr. Elkin.

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Elkin

Thank you. The six-month period of operational readiness is, as the Minister mentioned, when we will phase in moving all the programs over, having the staff have the opportunity to run through the processes, having the equipment tested and set up, so that once we get to the targeted first-patient day, which will be, you know, around May or June of 2019, then we can actually then move the patients in; but the staff have to have a chance to run and function in the new facility to make sure everything works as designed, and then we can make any adjustments as needed before we actually move all the patients in.

All the various programs in the building will be moving in, as the Minister said, in phases, and they'll test this department and test that department and make sure that all the systems in the building are running correctly before we actually move any patients in.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Ms. Green.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm sorry, I don't think my question was clear. I appreciate the need to do the testing and so on, but once the first patient is moved in, how long will it take to move all the others in? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Ms. Green. Minister.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

The intention is for that time period to be very short. Once we get -- say let's talk peds, as an example. We'll have the staff go in; they'll do some test runs in the area. They'll make sure everything's working, and they'll move of the stuff over. Once the first patient day happens, we will be moving over the rest of the material from the peds unit as quickly as possible. It could be a week, but we don't want to have an under-resourced peds unit at any given time. We do have to have some time, but those periods of time from first patient day to all the material in in each unit will be very short.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. For those listening at home, could you please define "peds?"

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Certainly; pediatric unit.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. That will make things a little more clear in Hansard. I see nothing further from Ms. Green. Next I have Mr. Beaulieu.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I want to talk a bit about what's not here. Earlier we did talk a bit about some of the long-term care beds that are in this capital plan that we'll be rolling out over the next couple of years, the beds in Hay River and Inuvik. There are also some facilities in some of the communities, the small communities, communities that have maybe 400 to 600 people. One that comes to mind, of course, is Fort Resolution. Fort Resolution has the Great Elders' Facility. The Great Elders' Facility can actually accommodate four individuals living right in the main facility. That main facility now houses social services and some home care.

I'm wondering if the Minister would look at having that place opened up again for residents, older residents, who may not be at the full level where long-term care is needed, but at a level where care is needed, and do the costing on a model such as that. My understanding, at this point, just from the numbers that we've been talking about for elders in a long-term care facility in Hay River, for example, which is generally where Fort Resolution elders go, would cost something in the neighbourhood of $550,000 to $600,000 per year. If the department comes up with something that is less cost for individuals who may not need the full long-term care but there's nothing in between, there's nothing in the gap, so right now they go right from their homes to long-term care, so in order to fill the gap that facility used to house people who were in there prior to long-term care. Some even passed away; they actually went palliative and passed away in that home.

I'm wondering if the Minister would take a second look at that, considering that it would be quite a savings to house people there as opposed to going directly into long-term care. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. I will note that that is more appropriate for the next activity summary. Seeing that, I'd like the Minister to keep that question in mind, and I will call the first activity summary, then we can move on to it and the Minister can answer your question, if that's appropriate. Mr. Beaulieu, do you have a comment?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

September 26th, 2017

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I apologize for that. Mr. Chairman, on the administrative and support services, the same system the previous Member spoke of, the mental health and addictions information system, on the detail it indicates clinical data from mental health patients. I'm just wondering if that includes addicts as well. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Minister.

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Glen Abernethy

Glen Abernethy Great Slave

Yes, all of them. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Beaulieu.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tom Beaulieu Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my questions would be for the next section, so I can wait.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu. Seeing nothing further, I will call this section. Health and Social Services, administrative and support services, infrastructure investments, $32,442,000. Does committee agree?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. We will now turn to page 35, with the accompanying information on page 36, and I will allow the Minister to respond to Mr. Beaulieu's first question. Minister Abernethy.