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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

I do, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber. Minister, would you please introduce your witnesses to committee.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, to my immediate right, I have Mr. David Stewart. He’s the deputy minister of Finance. To my far right, Tara Hunter, who is the director of Management Service and Recruitment. To my left, I have Mr. Sandy Kalgutkar, who is the deputy secretary to the FMB. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Welcome to the witnesses. We open the floor to general comments from committee. Do we have any general comments on the Department of Finance? Mr. Testart.

MR.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning made one recommendation to the department, which was to complete the mandate commitment to lower the taxes on small businesses, and that was in the amount of 1 per cent. Apart from that, the overall operation of the department is complex.

The amalgamation of human resources was a source of concern. As again, these amalgamations are being motivated by cost savings rather than operational efficiencies. Committee wants to ensure that we’re making the best possible organizational changes that are going to benefit the public and also the public service.

A lot of the policies in the Department of Finance are exceedingly complex. In fact, typically our public account scores one of the lowest marks for transparency in Canada. It would be a wonderful thing if we could make this information as transparent and understandable to the average Northerner as possible. I think that is still something we need to work on as a government.

The source of that understanding will have to come from this department. We will continue to do our work and reviewing how we can make this complex financial information more understandable. We’ll continue to fight for tax competiveness in Canada’s North as well. With that, that concludes my comments. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Anything further from committee, as far as opening comments? Mr. O’Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. As we go through the pages here, I’ll have some comments on the revenues that we get as a government. Particularly with regard to tobacco tax license -- or, sorry, liquor revenues -- and how that compares to mining, oil, and gas royalty resource revenues that we’re able to keep now under the devolution agreement.

I have some suggestions about different forms of taxes that I’ll make to try to make sure that we capture more of the benefits of that. I’ll also be asking the Minister about any progress we’re making on indexing the Northern Resident Tax Deduction. I guess I’ll have some questions about some ongoing negotiations as well when we get to the human resources section of the amalgamated department. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you for the preview, Mr. O’Reilly. Seeing nothing further, we will move into consideration of the activities. The first activity can be found on pages 131 to 134. That is directorate. This is activity one of five; this is an $84 million activity. Comments or questions from committee on directorate, pages 131 to 134? Mr. O’Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I’m looking at page 132, and this is the Northwest Territories Power Corporation snare hydro system. I know that, in the last couple of years, we’ve had to provide extra subsidies to the Power Corporation in terms of low water levels. How is it looking this year, Mr. Chair? Sorry, I’m just wondering what the water levels are looking like and whether there is any expectation that the Department of Finance is going to have to provide additional funding to the Power Corporation? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, earlier indications are that the water levels should be fine this year, and hopefully that holds true; then we won’t have to provide more money for low water levels.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. O’Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Good news. I thank the Minister for that. I have no further questions, thanks.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O’Reilly. Mr. McNeely.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My question is on 132, program detail on the bottom there, other program costs, $6,000,077. I just want a little explanation on what is defined as "other"? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Mr. Stewart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Stewart

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The program costs in the directorate are related to the deputy minister’s office, the office of the Chief Information Officer, and the shared corporate services unit that will be providing the services to both Department of Finance as well as Executive and Indigenous Affairs. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Nothing further from Mr. McNeely. Seeing no further comments or questions. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. In regards, I see office of the Chief Information Officer has an increase. Could the Minister explain why we have an increase in this area? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Stewart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Stewart

Thanks, Mr. Chair. The increase there is primarily related to the Service Innovation Strategy. That office also takes care of our involvement in CRCT hearings and those sorts of events as well, but that would be the increase reason for that one. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I thank the deputy minister for his answer. Just to follow up on honourable Member from Sahtu, when we talk about other program costs, is there a rationale for it being split up, or why couldn’t we just put it into the areas that it should have been put in? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, Mr. Chair, I can understand the Member’s question because it does leave itself open for question when you use the word "other." I think we made a commitment in the past that we’re staying away from the word "other" and we were going to break it up and have that money specifically allocated to be different. I will make that commitment that we will remove the word "other."