This is page numbers 3141 – 3160 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was support.

Question 75-18(3): Apprenticeship, Trades And Occupations Certification Strategy
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta.

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a few questions for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment in follow-up to my Member's statement. I would like to ask the Minister: when was the last time government supported prospector training that was held outside the North or South Slave Regions? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Industry, Tourism, Investment.

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right. The last few courses have been in the north and south of the region of the Northwest Territories for geological resources that exist in this particular region because of the high mining activity. What I can tell the Member, though, is the last one that we did have, we had members from the Sahtu participate who came down, and they accessed the C program to be able to participate in that, and that is an option that, depending on where the next one is, we can actually reach out to the Member to do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

What can the Minister do to support Aboriginal governments that want to bring prospector training to their communities?

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

We can certainly work with any local government or Aboriginal organizations or communities that want to bring prospector training to their community. One of the challenges we face, though, is geologists and prospectors, instructors may be familiar with rocks in a particular area and the learning experience needs to be one that is going to benefit the students. One of the things I think that we need to really look at particularly maybe in that region as things move forward to try to find an industry for the Beau-Del is maybe we have some type of regional collaboration with communities and have a look at that and have a more robust group of people participating.

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Frederick Blake Jr. Mackenzie Delta

Will we see prospector training offered in the Mackenzie Delta within this calendar year?

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

As I have said, if we can have a look at this possibly as a regional approach, I do not believe we have anything scheduled in the coming years yet. We are still in the planning stages, and some of this investment that we will need to do is going to be hinged on the budget process as well, Mr. Speaker, but we can certainly have those conversations.

Question 76-18(3): Prospector Training Opportunities In The Mackenzie Delta
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was pleased to see the honourable Member for Yellowknife North speaking about very important issues to me, both mining and transparency. I would like to ask the Minister of Transparency some questions around transparency over the royalty regime and the benefits the mining sector is paying into the Northwest Territories.

In the federal context, there is a piece of legislation called the Extractive Sector Transparency Measures Act, and this act has created a federal government website that you can look up mining companies and see what payments they had been making to governments including this government. I would like to ask the Minister of Transparency if he is willing to begin work on a similar piece of legislation for our government that would allow transparency over royalty resources in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister responsible for Public Engagement and Transparency.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a complex issue; of course, I certainly would want to discuss this with my colleagues. My understanding was that, in the last year, there were approximately $83 million of royalties obtained from the mining industry in the Northwest Territories; however, there is not an individual breakdown from individual mining companies. I think in the past they have resisted that for the reason that they didn't want to be sharing that kind of information with competitors, because royalty regimes and rates are based often on gross production or profits. Traditionally, in the past, they have not wanted to share that with the public or with competitors, but I think that as Minister of Transparency we have to at least look at this issue. Thank you.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

I will remind the honourable Minister that we're the ones who make the rules for the industry. They don't make the rules for themselves. The industry seems to be quite fine to have this information published on a federal website which includes payments made to the GNWT and to Indigenous organizations within the Northwest Territories. If he is not willing to move forward on legislation, will he begin the work on a clear annual statement on how much royalties were received; how much were shared with each Indigenous group; and that this report be tabled annually in the Legislative Assembly? Will he make that commitment?

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I don't think I could make that kind of commitment at this time because the royalty regimes are an important part of our revenues. As I say, we do know what the gross amount is. The question is: how much we are getting from each individual mine? As I say, in the past, mines both here and I think in most other jurisdictions have not been willing to share that information. Some of the information can be obtained through other countries, I see, by looking at the overall profits of the parent companies, but I don't think the mines in the Northwest Territories, that are generally subsidiaries of very large international corporations, would be willing to share that information because they would see that as giving information to their competitors and perhaps affecting their competitiveness.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

I always appreciate an impassioned defense of secrecy from the Minister of Public Engagement and Transparency. The Chamber of Mines here in the Northwest Territories currently produces reports and does this work to roll up royalty information. The Minister is not willing to bring forward legislation or table a report. Will he at least give a contribution to the Chamber of Mines to do this work on his behalf?

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I'm not sure if that request is for a personal donation or a government donation.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Government.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

No, I realize this is a serious issue. When the previous questions were asked of the Minister of ITI, I was looking at something called the Bauer Report, which does go into some of the very complex issues surrounding this whole issue of royalties. I can advise that I will be looking at that further and discussing that report and its findings with my colleagues.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to be clear. We're not talking about reviewing the royalty regime. We're talking about publishing the financial transparency around the economic contributions the mining industry is making to the Northwest Territories and to this government. This is something the mining industry does in other jurisdictions. This is something the Chamber of Mines assists with in other jurisdictions. I'm asking the Minister of Transparency if he can help be a leader on fiscal transparency as it relates to the extractive sector, either through legislation, either through annual reporting, or either through contributions to the Chamber of Mines to allow this reporting to be done by the private sector. Will he do any of that or something else that is tangible so we can get these facts brought forward so residents of the Northwest Territories can clearly see and celebrate the immense and tremendous contribution that the mining industry and natural resources make to the economic health and well-being of this territory? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I think we're all aware of the great contribution that the mines do make to our economy and society. We know that as a gross figure, as I understand it, looking at the Bauer Report, I think there was an estimate of approximately $83 million paid in royalties to the Government of the Northwest Territories in the 2017 year. Plus, they also pay many other taxes, land leases, and so on, so they do make a huge contribution.

I think that, before I make any commitment to have the royalties broken down per mine, which I understand is the request from the Member opposite, I would have to see what our arrangements were, whether that would be allowed. I do agree that, as a matter of transparency, it would be better if those facts were known, but we do live in a competitive world, a competitive society, and the mines, to this point, have been averse to releasing that kind of documentation to us. I don't know whether they have a commitment from us that we will not seek that kind of information, but I am willing to look into the matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 77-18(3): Transparency In Resource Royalties
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Hay River North.

Question 78-18(3): Marine Training Institute
Oral Questions

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On February 2nd Transport Canada announced that the Nunavut Fisheries and Marine Training Consortium will establish a marine training facility in Hay River through partnership with the GNWT. Apparently, this is part of a three-year $12.6 million federal investment under the Oceans Protection Plan. Mr. Speaker, I usually know what's happening in my backyard, but I haven't received any communication about this initiative. It's news to me. I just learned about it when the Minister of Infrastructure responded to questions about MTS earlier this week. I don't know where this facility will be set up, or when it will be operating, or if it's operating already. Hopefully, ITI or Infrastructure will issue a press release or some sort of information in the near future, because I'm already getting media requests about this, and I really don't know much about it.

On its website, the Nunavut Fisheries and Marine Training Consortium states that it offers a variety of training; deckhand, marine mechanic, bridge officer, fishing masters, et cetera. What types of training will be offered in Hay River, and if the Minister is willing, would he please specify whether or not locals will be engaged in the development of this curriculum? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 78-18(3): Marine Training Institute
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment.

Question 78-18(3): Marine Training Institute
Oral Questions

Wally Schumann

Wally Schumann Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member said, I mentioned it yesterday in the House. These are very early days for the marine training centre that the Nunavut Fisheries and Marine Training Consortium has come forward with to locate in our riding in Hay River, which is great news for our constituents in Hay River, and all residents of the Northwest Territories will be able to access a program such as this.

Presently right now, there is a needs assessment under way for courses that are appropriate for the required training. As these guys operate out of Nunavut, and now moving to the Northwest Territories, we are going to have to have a look at the situation in the NWT around the fishers and, in particular, the marine transportation services that we run up and down the river.

My understanding is already, this spring, though, the courses that are intended to roll out right away are going to help the fishers with a small vehicle vessel operator's course, which is going to benefit the fishermen. You've got to remember that these are Transport Canada certified courses, so this ticket will be good right across the country. Then we will also hopefully get our staff in there from the Marine Transportation Services tugs and barge system to be able to access these programs as well, and get them to benefit from that. I think once that rolls out and they get a little bit of water under their feet, so to speak, the general public will be able to take some of these courses, and they will expand as they seem necessary. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.