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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am just not certain where the Member is coming from on the five-year review. I assume perhaps it is on the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act that is coming up, among other things, for a five-year review, and as far as I know there are no monies set aside. A lot of those responsibilities are in the Department of EIA and the negotiations of bringing the MVRMA to the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Hagen. Mr. McNeely.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Daniel McNeely

Daniel McNeely Sahtu

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, I was referring to the five-year review underneath the devolution agreement. My understanding, the agreement allows for a five-year review to review the performance on the previous six months and maybe even inheritance of the MVRMA, so I am just wondering if we are preparing for that additional task to negotiate additional responsibilities underneath the five-year review of the devolution agreement.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. McNeely. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, perhaps the Premier could assist in clarifying this point. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Premier McLeod.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Bob McLeod

Bob McLeod Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The only reference to a five-year review is the review of the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. When the devolution agreement was enacted, the federal government insisted that they would continue to be responsible for the MVRMA. With the new government, we made representation that there was no need to wait five years. Now, five years will be up in 2019. We had also made representation to the federal government that they should transfer the MVRMA and we would make changes. The federal government has indicated that they want to do changes before, and we still have to get them to agree, although it has been negotiated, that there will be a five-year agreement to start. We have asked that the review begin since it is less than two years away. That is where it is at now, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Premier McLeod. No further questions? Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I believe it was in last year's budget that there was a $370,000 reduction in inspections, and I am just wondering: I have noticed in the business plans that the number of inspections for leases and land use permits and so on are steady if not increasing, so how did that cut affect our inspection capacity? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, I am confident that all of the inspections that are required are being made, but perhaps I will turn that question over to Mr. Hagen, please. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Hagen.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have met or exceeded our goal of inspections in 2017-2018. We have not been impacted by any reductions in budget on it. The fact that the Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk Highway is completed, the fibre optic line is completed, the economic development is not there that there was a few years ago does not mean there are fewer inspections, but it has not stopped us from doing the inspections that are necessary. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Hagen. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the comments from the Minister and the deputy minister. It is something that I am going to continue to watch very closely. I want to ask about inspections at Prairie Creek. There were some issues there. I know that there were some additional inspections that were done in the fall. The company was supposed to be submitting some plans for moving forward. Has that actually happened, and where are we at with the existing liabilities at the site? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, I understand that, of course, there are ongoing concerns about Prairie Creek and possible noncompliance. Perhaps I can give some detail as to what the department has been doing. Since the summer of 2017, there have been six inspections by our inspectors from the Department of Lands and also by the Department of Natural Resources. There were six inspections, as I say, the most recent being October 28, 2017. The next inspection will take place in the spring of 2018, once the snow clears. The site is closed, shut down, for the season. Now, there were some compliance issues related to chemical storage. Perhaps I will turn it over at this point to Mr. Hagen, and he can expand on that answer. Thank you.

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Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, that is correct. There were some issues relating to chemical storage being raised by our inspectors, but, the company, we are working with them. Our first goal with our inspectors is to educate and be of assistance and the last being enforcement and compliance. They have made great progress addressing these issues. They have provided us with a response to inspector's concerns, information request from this past year, including a waste disposal plan, a chemical inventory, and we are currently reviewing some of these documents. We are in constant touch with them, corresponding, and we will be doing a follow-up inspection once the snow is gone, like the Minister mentioned, in the spring of 2018. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Hagen, Minister Sebert. Let's not forget to go through the chair as we continue. Minister Sebert wanted to add something.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I just wanted to add that inspection reports related to land use permits and water licences are available on the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board's registry.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister for that. Something that I do check once in a while is the public registry there. I appreciate the concentration of effort on that particular location because it is a problem, and I am glad to hear that there is some progress being made. I want to ask about: ENR has water use inspectors; they also do wildlife inspections, and Lands does land use permits, land lease, and I understand some of those inspectors are actually cross-appointed. Has there been any thought to centralizing inspection service and putting it with ENR, where, in my view, it should probably located? I know I raised this with the Minister during business planning, as well, so has he had a chance to look at this? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister Sebert.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes, as the Member pointed out, people are cross-appointed, and, prior to devolution, basically, these functions were carried out by a single department. It would seem to make some sense to have them combined, but maybe I will let Mr. Hagen take it from there. I understand what the Member is talking about. I know that different inspectors do work closely together and some are cross-appointed, so hopefully the system is not rendered inefficient by the fact that there are two departments, but I do understand the point.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Hagen.