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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to clarify some of the issues raised by my honourable friend, the Member from Frame Lake, on this Cumulative Impact Monitoring Program. Although there is a decrease indicated on page 69, if you turn to page 70, it would appear that the contribution to the Cumulative Impact Monitoring Program is actually increasing by just under $300,000, and conservation planning is likewise increased. Could the Minister just speak to the issue of the program detail decreasing but the overall contribution increasing? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Ms. Craig.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Craig

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Within the Cumulative Impact Monitoring Program, we've had some vacancies, so we had a bit of salary surplus which is being transferred to corporate management temporarily. Indeed, the Member is correct in that the grants and contributions have increased. They historically have been oversubscribed, so we moved some money from operations and maintenance into grants and contributions so that that money would be available to go out to the recipients. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Ms. Craig. Mr. Testart.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the clarification. What is this? The money in the grant, what is it used for by grant recipients? I'm just wondering if we can get just a brief summary of where this money goes and how it benefits the public policy objective of conservation efforts by this government. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Minister McLeod

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, we have a comprehensive list here. There is a number of items where it lists where the money goes. What I can commit to doing is getting a copy of this list to Members. That way, they'll have a fairly good idea as to where the money goes. It's a fairly long list, but we're looking at fish and water and caribou. It's pretty well where the money is going. There is a number of items on here. If committee wishes, I can provide the list. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

Might as well. If the Minister can provide that list, that would be helpful. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Minister McLeod

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, if the list won't do, then I can sit here and read it out and take up some of committee's time.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Mr. Testart.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

February 26th, 2018

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Kam Lake

My apologies if there's any confusion, Mr. Chair. I think the list is acceptable to me. I'm not sure about the other committee Members. They may have questions for the Minister, but I think being clear about where this money is going, but look, I think one of the best ways we can use these conservation funds is to get them in the hands of people who are doing that work. It seems like the government is doing that, and I appreciate that, notwithstanding concerns about the overall management of the Cumulative Impact Monitoring Program, but it does look like there's more money getting out to do conservation efforts and that is something I support. Again, I'll thank our witnesses today for clarifying the discrepancy between the program's details and the contributions. With that, nothing further. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Testart. Mr. Nakimayak.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Herbert Nakimayak

Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm on page 70 on conservation planning. I'd just like to wonder, Mr. Chair, the Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk highway opened recently and in this summer I'm sure there's going to be some sort of an impact on the fishing along the highway, as well as Husky Lakes. I'm just wondering if the Minister and his colleagues can update us on any talks with fisheries, joint management with the Inuvialuit, the land administration, or the federal government, any types of conservation along the highway and Husky Lakes. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Nakimayak. Dr. Dragon.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Dr. Dragon

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we've been well aware of that in the department on the impact that the new highway would have on resources. We've been working with both the Inuvialuit and the Gwich’in and talking about our enforcement in those areas. In addition, we've also had conversations with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans on how we could increase enforcement pressures as of the result on more visitors to that area. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Dr. Dragon. Mr. Nakimayak.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Herbert Nakimayak

Herbert Nakimayak Nunakput

I appreciate the response, Mr. Chair. That's all I have for this section. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you. Any further questions on this activity? Seeing none, we will go to page 69 and read conservation, assessments and monitoring, operations expenditures summary, $7,926,000. Does committee agree?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Agreed. Okay, we shall move on to the next activity, corporate management, beginning on page 73. Please, Members, refer to which page you're directing your questions to. Questions? Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Since the decision was made to dispense with opening comments, I have a few opening comments on this particular activity item because this is sort of the corporate heart of the department and where policy, planning, legislation, communications, and so on, take place.

First off, I want to recognize that there are lots of great staff within the department, very hardworking, and many that I worked with before I became an MLA. I know that they continue to do a great job, but the problem is they don't get the resources that are necessary to do the job the way that it should be done.

This is only one of three departments that is getting cut in the 2018-2019 budget. The reductions are over $3 million, and most are being reallocated internally for other initiatives, the sort of switching that I talked about earlier.

You can see this on page 73. Look at the compensation and benefits over time. From 2016-2017 to where we are now, that is a 14 per cent reduction in compensation and benefits within the department. This is a department that is bleeding, and they cannot get the job done.

Now, to prove that, I want to ask the Minister: there are 27 mandate commitments that this department has. How many of those have actually been completed? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister McLeod.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Robert C. McLeod

Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the Member is absolutely correct. We have a lot of good people whowork over at the department. I think, as far as the funding goes, they obviously feel they are able to do the job with the resources that they have. If they needed to seek more resources, then they would go to FMB. I think they will continue to do the work with the resources they have.

ENR has been very good at, as we get into the information items later, getting a lot of external funding as well. In fact, I think we have brought on one person to do the work going after external funding. We have been very successful. I think we have almost $6.7 million in external funding from those that like to fund research projects; so we have been successful in that.

As far as the mandate items, we do not have that information at our fingertips, and I apologize for that in advance. I will work with our deputy and our officials to make sure we get that information and share it with the Members, but my apologies for that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.