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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Now, in regard to Wrigley, because they have a position that is stationed in Fort Simpson, does the department actually work with them to make sure that they get the allocations of number of visits that are supposed to be there? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

As I mentioned, there were approximately 25. Over the last few years, it does seem to be an average of 24 or 25 visits per year, but I understand that, from the Fort Simpson detachment, they do work on the planning for these visits. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I thank the Minister for that. I am not looking at the number of visits; I am looking at the durations that they are in the community. Is it 25 visits where they just come in for a day and they leave, or is it over an expanded period of time? How many days are they in the community? I guess that is the question I should be asking. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I am not certain of the duration of the patrols. I was under the impression that that might be about a day each, but I understand that there was some discussion with the Fort Simpson detachment about increasing the number of patrols. Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that. The big thing is that, without the police presence, sometimes the nurses don't want to be staying there. There is a safety issue for them. Will the Minister work with the Health Minister and try to coordinate travel where the nurses can go in there at the same time, and help that out? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

I am always willing to work with the Minister of Health. I don't know whether it would be appropriate or would suit the RCMP to travel in at the same time, but I can discuss that with the Minister. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson. Nothing further from Mr. Thompson. Seeing nothing further, I will call this activity. On page 277, Justice, community justice and policing, operations expenditure summary, activity total, $5,445,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, committee. Next, corrections, beginning on page 280. It's a $36 million item. Comments or questions from committee? Ms. Green.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, the Standing Committee on Social Development had the opportunity to visit a place called Guthrie House at the Nanaimo Correctional Centre. It is a therapeutic community within a corrections setting. I know the Minister has been there as well. I wonder if he could give us an update on the planning that is taking place to pilot a model such as Guthrie House within the NWT corrections? Thank you.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I also was impressed by my visit to Guthrie House when I was there in the latter part of last year. I understand we have developed a working group to look into the possibility of having a similar facility in the Northwest Territories. It is fairly preliminary, but I can say that, when the department went down, I think I can speak for the others who were with me, we were all impressed with Guthrie House and certainly would be considering such a model in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Ms. Green.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is good news that there is a working group looking into a similar program in the NWT. Can the Minister give us any more specifics around who is on the working group, what they have been asked to do, when they are going to report on it, when there may be an ask in the business plan to fund the pilot, that kind of detail? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. If I could defer that question to Mr. Goldney, I think he could give more detail. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Goldney.

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Goldney

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and yes, the working group is very active, comprised primarily of officials from our corrections division. We have also included staff members at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre, and we do have the support of -- apologies, I forget the position, but we do have assistance with an official from the Department of Health and Social Services, from their mental health and addictions section, helping to evaluate potential program design and doing some preliminary costing.

We are very encouraged by the results that we are seeing so far from our look at the potential for this model to be applied at one of our institutions. The work will also include a program design that makes sense for the Northwest Territories, so we do anticipate that there will be changes to the model that we saw in the context of British Columbia in Nanaimo, but we are very encouraged by the results that we are seeing so far.

We are also looking at our inmate population and trying to keep point-in-time assessments of what kind of numbers we might have for our inmate population that could benefit from a program like this. We do recognize that we have some challenges in applying the Guthrie model wholesale, so we will have to consider things like the amount of time our inmates are available to us, but so far we are very encouraged that we will be able to come forward with a model that makes sense. We will have some more information on what the potential cost implications might be.

I would just also add that we have met with staff at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre who were also very encouraged by the potential this program might offer or a program like this might offer. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Ms. Green.