Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. What we are doing now is finalizing program design. I don't think the current inmates there would necessarily end up there once we have made this transition. I assume that the inmates that would want to take advantage of this program would be drawn from throughout the system, but I will let Mr. Goldney add to that if he wishes. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy minister Goldney.

Thank you, deputy minister Goldney. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you. Will there be a segregation of the population who is being treated in the addictions stream, essentially, from the violent offenders? I know that, at Guthrie House, everyone is in the program, and I think that you would want everyone in the program here, because if there are people who are trying to overcome addictions, and then there are people who are sneaking joints over the 15-foot fence, that could be counterproductive. Could I get some clarification? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Deputy minister Goldney.

Thank you, deputy minister Goldney. Mr. Simpson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Has this been attempted elsewhere?

My concern is that we are going to spend this money, and we are going to try and create a program that is not really a proven or effective program. We need to start going all in on things and making sure that they are going to succeed. I don't want to see this not succeed, and that is my main concern.

Is there some evidence that this type of program, not just based on Guthrie House, because this is clearly different, is there some evidence that this type of program is effective? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Minister Sebert.

Thank you. I think those of us who had the opportunity of visiting Guthrie House were impressed by what they are doing there. We are hopeful that the same sort of therapeutic model would also work here. I don't believe, and perhaps Mr. Goldney can help me with this, I am not aware of any smaller jurisdictions that have attempted this model, but there may be other places across Canada that have. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy minister Goldney.

Thank you, deputy minister Goldney. In recognition of time, Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to follow up on some questions that Mr. Simpson talked about. I had the opportunity to visit Guthrie House.

I guess my first question is: how are you going to deal with people who are on addictions and, I guess, higher-end inmates? Could you explain further why there is not a segregation of these two? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

Yes. I think the point is that we want to make full utilization of the building, and we are not very sure of the numbers that might want to go there strictly for addictions. Perhaps Mr. Goldney could assist further. I think the important thing is: we are contemplating some large capital costs here, but we want to make sure that the building is utilized properly. Mr. Goldney.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Deputy minister Goldney.

Thank you, deputy minister Goldney. Mr. Thompson.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am going to go back a little further in regard to utilizing this facility better or using it to its maximum capacity or increasing the capacity of this facility and that. Can the Minister tell us: the present facility, what is the occupancy? Is it shorter, or are there more numbers to it? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

Thank you. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but currently, SMCC meets the needs of minimum security inmates. Again, these numbers are available, I just don't happen to have them available in front of me. I don't know how near capacity the facility is. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.