Thank you, Dr. Dragon. Any further questions, committee? Mr. O'Reilly.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Okay, thanks, Mr. Chair. So I think this is the section of the department where water use fees would be found. These would be fees that are paid under water licences. Is that correct, Mr. Chair? Thank you.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Can someone with the department tell me what the water use fees were, what those revenues were for last year, and what they are anticipated to be for this year? Actually, I think it is found on page 66. It is just up there, isn’t it, so that is the $80,000? Is that what that is? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Craig
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The budget for water use fees is on page 66. It is $80,000 per year. That is the budget. In 2016-2017, we collected $47,000. The amount that we will collect in 2017-2018 is dependent on exactly how much water is used by the licence holders. We really will not know the total amount until the end of the fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. So, the water use fees, is that something that we would be looking at revising in the review of the Waters Act? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Craig
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I understand that the water use fees are set in regulations, and they are applied by the land and water boards. As the Assembly knows, we are putting through a review of our Waters Act this year in this Assembly. The next step would be looking at the regulations, so there might be the opportunity at that time to increase the water use fees. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, the reason why I ask this is I am just looking at the water regulations now on my computer here, and the highest rate seems to be about $2 per 100 cubic metres of water. That seems to be a pretty low rate. You know, people pay more than $2 for a bottle of water at the grocery store. So has the department done any work to look at comparable rates that are charged by other jurisdictions in Canada for water use? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. I am sure we have done some work. I am not exact. I will confirm that, as to looking at comparable water rates, and we will see. We will do some research. I will commit to the Member that we will do some research and see what our rates are compared to the other jurisdictions, and then we will plan a course of action from there. I will commit to getting that information. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, I appreciate that the Minister is going to do that work, and I know that he is really keen to look at new sources of revenue. Certainly, this is one, and this, these rates, have not been touched in decades. I can tell the Minister that. I think, quite frankly, we are giving our water away. These rates, as I understand it, are comparatively low compared to most other jurisdictions in Canada, and this needs to be changed. This is one of the reasons we got devolution, was to try to make sure that we get a fair return for the use of our resources, and I do not think these sort of rates for use of water are what they should be. So I leave that with the Minister. I will look forward to getting his information, but this, to me, seems like an easy one to do compared to a land transfer tax. I will leave it at that. Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, as I said, we will go back, have a look at the information, and see where it goes. I mean the Member is right. A Minister is always looking for -- Minister, this whole Assembly should be looking at other sources of revenue, and this may be one of them. We will do our due diligence, and then we will come up with a plan from there, but then I need to know that, once we decide to do that, that I have got the support of committee and not have people running in 10 different directions. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kieron Testart Kam Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was just wondering, my honourable friend brought up questions around the fishing licences, so the fees generated on those licences, are they paid to the federal government or do we draw some of that revenue into our government? Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Robert C. McLeod Inuvik Twin Lakes
We get the fees, Mr. Chair, but, unfortunately, because of the user pay act, we have no say in what they are. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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