This is page numbers 3681 – 3720 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Martin

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The $3.6 million for 2018-2019 is allocated in a few different areas within our budget here today. $1.5 million was allocated for repairs to the social housing stock. That is modernization and improvements. $1 million was allocated to demolition and environmental remediation work. $900,000 was allocated to community housing support initiative projects. $100,000 was allocated to increase our apprenticeship program investment. Finally, we used $100,000 to support incremental policy staffing to support the strategic renewal. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Ms. Green.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Nothing further.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I guess this is the point where I could ask questions about revenues for the Housing Corporation. The Minister's colleague made a statement in the House earlier today about federal infrastructure funding. There is $570 million coming to the GNWT from the federal government. It's going to be, I guess that's 75 per cent federal dollars that we have to match with 25 per cent of our own funds. I'm just wondering how much of that funding is going to be used towards housing.

Of course, I'm looking at the report that the Minister tabled in the House called, "Towards Level Ground" where housing core need is set out. There's a bit of a, not more than a bit, there is a table in here that shows that it would cost $67 million as of the time that the Minister tabled this report to get rid of the core housing needs here. The $36 million that the Minister talked about for the Northern Housing Fund is not going to meet this need. So is the Minister looking at accessing some of this $570 million in infrastructure funding to help get our housing out of core need? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you. I was just trying to think of the name of the infrastructure or funding that we just announced today with the federal government. That one I believe is called the Building Canada Plan, Phase 2. I may be incorrect, but I believe it's called that.

That infrastructure money that was announced today actually is not to address the housing. The housing infrastructure, the housing money is actually coming through within the National Housing Strategy. I have a FPT in the middle of April, if they don't change the date, because they've changed it a couple of times so far. We'll be looking at that allocation.

So far they've confirmed the $36 million over 10 years. They are looking at how they can assist the North more. We are advocating so that we can actually get something more equitable to the Nunavut government. They are all still looking at an Aboriginal stream, and we are working with them to try to actually expand that because right now, as they currently have it, it's not going to meet the needs of the Aboriginal governments within our communities.

We've been working diligently with them, but not on our own. It's important to note that we've been working in partnership with the other two territories. We're working in partnership and trying to get our needs to the table so that they recognize that the North is different.

It was a huge movement actually when we got them to state that there was going to be a northern strategy. We just need to push a little bit further and ensure that the needs of the Northwest Territories are met within that. The infrastructure money will be coming within the National Housing Strategy and the Aboriginal stream. We're still working diligently on making sure the needs of the territories are addressed within that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Well, that's all great information. I want to thank the Minister for that. I'm looking at the Minister of Infrastructure's statement in the House today. He talks about how there are a number of streams for this federal infrastructure money, some of which you think would be where housing would be eligible, things like Green Infrastructure Fund, Rural and Northern Communities Fund, Arctic Energy Fund. Can any of these funds be accessed and used for housing? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Martin.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Martin

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Housing Corporation has been working and collaborating with the Department of Infrastructure regarding a couple of separate pots of funding. We've been working in terms of completing a proposal for Environment and Climate Change Canada's Low Carbon Economy Fund. Within that application, the Housing Corporation is proposed to receive $4 million, which translates into about $1 million a year over the next four years. That will be cost-matched by the Housing Corporation, I understand approximately 25 per cent.

The funding associated with this application would support energy upgrades for 128 existing housing units across the Northwest Territories, as well as a conversion of 43 oil fire heating systems in Yellowknife to propane. That's one example of an area that we're working with the Department of Infrastructure on. We're also working on an application or have for this past year regarding INAC's REACHE program. This is the Northern Responsible Energy Approach for Community Heat and Electricity Program. It's a long name. Under that program, the Housing Corporation was supported in an investment for PV and solar system for the Whati seniors complex. The year before that, the Housing Corporation was supported under that same program for a solar system for the 17-plex in Inuvik.

There are a couple of programs out there certainly that we continue to work with the Department of Infrastructure on. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Martin. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, those are great examples of the Housing Corporation getting creative and accessing federal infrastructure programs. I'm really pleased to see that, but are there any concrete plans by the corporation to access the $570 million in infrastructure funding that was announced just outside in the Great Hall here earlier today? Is the Housing Corporation looking at getting any of that money to carry out the Towards Level Ground that's required, or are we just going to use it all to build roads? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Minister.

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Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I agree with the Member that housing needs are important within the Northwest Territories and we need to look at all accesses, all opportunities for funding. I am hopeful that the National Housing Strategy and the Indigenous Funding will actually address some of the needs within the territories, but I do commit that we will continue to work with the Department of Infrastructure to identify any opportunities that we can use to increase and better maintain the stock of housing that we have in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, okay, I want to encourage the Minister to continue to go after that some of that federal infrastructure money that was announced in the Great Hall to meet our housing needs. Those are critical for our residents.

When I look at our Towards Level Ground report, there are lots of things in here that you would think would be eligible under this federal infrastructure program, things like emergency repair, seniors aging in place retrofits, new unit constructions, all kinds of things in here that are cost-shared at millions of dollars, that are not funded right now. This federal infrastructure money should be accessed for housing. It shouldn't just be for roads, so I want to encourage the Minister to go after some of that money and work with her Cabinet colleagues to make sure that we meet the needs of our residents. That's all I have to say. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. O'Reilly. Next, I have Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Hopefully this will be short. In this revenue, is this where the RCMP housing is in this? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Martin.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Martin

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, there is a small allocation of revenue expected for 2018-2019 within the lease revenue category of our revenues. We're looking at approximately $117,000 projected at this time, recognizing that the three Fort Smith duplexes that are scheduled for upfront delivery will be, the aim is to have those in place in the coming year. We'd only be looking at a partial year for 2018-2019. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the answer from Mr. Martin. I guess my next question is: when are we going to be fulfilling the whole mandate with the RCMP housing? Because now we're only talking three duplexes. I know in my riding in Fort Simpson, we're supposed to be looking at a minimum of six units, and Hay River is on the board; so is Inuvik and that. Can the Minister please provide us with an update when we could see these other units being implemented into the communities? Thank you. Mr. Chair.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Caroline Cochrane

Caroline Cochrane Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We've been working with the RCMP and the Treasury Board on this for many years, actually. If it was my say, then we would be moving ahead at a faster rate, but it is not up to us. This is the RCMP at the federal level who are delegating this. At one time, they were looking at getting right out of providing their housing, but now they might be looking at retaining some, so I am not even sure that they are actually really clear at this time on what they are doing. So we are watching them closely. We are supporting them. We have told them we have the capacity and we are willing to work with them, but it really is not about me deciding on when. It's about the federal RCMP deciding, treasury board deciding, when this will happen. I do have to say that the RCMP have remained committed to the full 45 units. It's just a matter of when they decide it's best for them. There may be financial implications within that for themselves, but they have a commitment for us. Thank you, Mr. Chair.