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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Goldney. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. That is great to hear. I actually applaud you guys for looking outside of the box and at home communities, as well. That is very positive. My next question is: what is the status of the department's plan to introduce additional security measures at North Slave Correctional Centre? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think that the main change will be the fence that I have referenced earlier, and I understand that some other minor or less expensive modifications are needed to the actual facility itself, again, removing it from a minimum-security, which it is now, to a medium-security.

Sorry, I might be talking about the wrong place. I'm not fixated on the facility in Hay River, although it has been paramount in my thoughts because it is so important, but I apologize if I misunderstood the question. Are you asking about enhancements to North Slave? Thank you. I think that the things that we needed to have done, we have done, which was largely the fence. There are some minor items that still need to be done, but the major items have been completed. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson, your time has expired. Are there any further questions from committee? Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I do have a couple more to follow up on that. With the North Slave, the additional measurements there, have you looked at increasing staff for that facility? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Goldney.

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Goldney

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I forgot to add in response to the last question that the outdoor programming that was put on hold pending some of those security enhancements has all been restored. We have done some operational assessments at the North Slave, and at this time, we are not planning any additional staff. The assessments indicate that we are adequately staffed at the moment. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Goldney. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can the Minister then advise, you know, how much overtime do we see there? Would it be better to actually have new staff in place? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Yes. Thank you. Thank you for the question. I think overtime will always be a factor in a facility that is open around the clock. I do see that overtime that was pretty significant in past years is still significant, but it does seem to be decreasing this year. As I say, it seems that the nature of the facility, or this type of facility, is that they will always be some overtime. The question is: is it a reasonable amount? I can see that it appears to be going down, at least compared to last year when it was very high. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, I understand that having a facility open 24/7, there is going to be some overtime because of sickness and stuff like that. I guess my question is: has the department looked at a cost analysis to see if it is more feasible to actually hire a couple more staff in case of that? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Minister Sebert.

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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes. Well, we do want to reduce these costs. One of the ways is by effective use and scheduling of relief corrections officers. We do realize that this is an issue. One of the things that may alleviate the problem is that a Corrections Northern Recruitment Training Program is currently under way in Yellowknife for completion in March 2019. This will provide trained individuals who can apply for employment in the corrections service. I would anticipate or hope, maybe more hope than anticipation, that this would reduce the overtime costs. As I say, in looking at the numbers over the last four or five years, there certainly was a bump in 2017-2018, but we seem to be back now with, at least until January 31st, a lower number. Again, there are people in the system who are being trained. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister Sebert. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Maybe I am not understanding clearly. I understand you do a training program, but previously, you just said that there was no need to be hiring new staff. My question was previously: have you done a cost analysis to see if we should have more staff in there that would reduce the cost of overtime? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Goldney.

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Goldney

Thank you, Mr. Chair. The previous evaluations have demonstrated that the staff complement that we have is adequate. When we say we don't need more staff, it is really positions that haven't been identified as, you know, that facility is having a shortage of positions. You know, from time to time, there are sicknesses and vacancies that we have to manage, and that does make overtime challenging at times. We do look to the training opportunities to make sure that we have a ready pool of relief workers. I think that was part of the problem that we had seen in past years, where that pool wasn't as deep as we might have preferred, and then cascading that overtime problem by relying on a smaller number of people.

We do think that we have turned the corner with that problem and do have adequate positions and more relief workers available. This will always be a challenging thing to manage, overtime, and we are very mindful that we have to keep our eyes on that issue, because it can be a significant cost driver. The challenge is, we can't just add more positions without affecting the hours of the existing positions. There is that balancing that has to be done. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Goldney. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that answer. My next question is in regard to case management and recruitment of Indigenous people to be working in those positions. I guess my question is: do you have a plan in place, a session planning, that you actually train your Indigenous workers who wish to be in that role? Do you give them the ability to do training so that, when those positions come available, they are the ones who are given that opportunity? Right now, my understanding is we see a lot of Priority 3 staff in that position. Have you set up a plan for that? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Thompson. Mr. Goldney.

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Goldney

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We do recognize that this is an important area for improvement. I believe we talked about this last time. When it comes to the training opportunities, we do apply the Affirmative Action Policy and actively engage Aboriginal employees and try and encourage participation in those opportunities. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Goldney. Mr. Thompson.