Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, that is great. Why are we spending the money to do land use planning? Why is this not the federal government? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Unfortunately, if we waited for the federal government, we would never have a land use plan, so, by going forward the way we are going, get their attention, we have the Tlicho government, who obviously have a constitution of protected land claim agreement and it speaks to having a land use plan in the region. So we are not going to go forward any further than we have to in spending of dollars, but we are having a foundation here, and, in partnership with the Tlicho, we are going to have a position in Behchoko. From this we are hoping and pushing for the feds to come forth with the dollars to complete the land use plan. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Is there any prospect that this money can be recovered from the federal government? Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Hagen
I'm sorry. I didn't catch his question there. Sorry about that.
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The Chair R.J. Simpson
Is there any prospect that this money could be recovered from the federal government?
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Hagen
Sorry, I missed that.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Is there any way we can get this money back from the federal government? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Hagen
Mr. Chair, my apologies. We could sure try. I don't see it happening. We do have some obligations in the Department of Lands to go forward. We are a partner. There are three partners in this plan. We do have to put some, for lack of a better word, I guess, some "skin in the game" here to get it kick-started, and that is what we are doing. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. I don't want the witnesses to get the impression that I don't believe in land use planning. That is actually what brought me to the Northwest Territories in 1985. I became the land use planning coordinator for the Dene nation and actually spent some time working with Violet Camsell-Blondin and a whole bunch of other people, Michael Nadli, and so on, so this is what actually got me up here, and I want this to be done. I just am trying to understand why we are getting out in it ahead of the federal government. It is their responsibility to fund this. I understand there is a need for land use planning, but can someone just explain why there is so much urgency that we are going to spend $1.5 million on land use planning in this area before you can even get the feds to the table to agree to it? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Louis Sebert Thebacha
I think, Mr. Chair, that we obviously, along with the Member, regard the land use planning as critical and therefore are willing to commit resources to the establishment of a planning office and senior representative. As we have mentioned, the planning process, I think part of it, and I will let Mr. Hagen expand on my answer, is that we feel that it is necessary for someone to go ahead and that that is why we have decided to step up to the plate, but perhaps Mr. Hagen can expand on that answer. Thank you.
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Hagen
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Like I said five minutes ago, if we waited for the federal government, I think it would be a lot of years before they came to the table. We found this through other land use plans. If we start the process, which we are doing, it is a mandate item in the 18th Assembly to start land use planning, and, if we start it off, then, of course, we set the goals and we have the plan, and, hopefully at the end of the day -- they don't necessarily have to participate. We just need $5 million to complete the Tlicho land use plans. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. Is there no provision within the Tlicho agreement for taking an issue to arbitration to force the federal government to pay for this? Thanks, Mr. Chair.
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Louis Sebert Thebacha
Thank you. I frankly don't know if there is or not, but I am advised by Mr. Hagen that he doesn't think there is.
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake
Thanks, Mr. Chair. I would hope that the department would look into that. Can someone tell me: how much is the Tlicho government contributing to this effort? Thanks, Mr. Chair.