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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Hagen.

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Hagen

To my knowledge, they are not putting in any money for it. They did put some dollars in, along with the federal government, for doing a land use plan on their private lands, but they are putting very little into this process, although they are a full partner in it. They are cooperating. They have, obviously, all of the knowledge that is required for the traditional knowledge and the regions that are sacred to them, that should be protected. So their contribution isn't necessarily dollars, but what they are doing is invaluable to ensuring that we get a proper land use plan on public lands. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Okay. Can someone tell me: is the result of this going to be a legally binding land use plan? If so, under what legislation will that authorization lay? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Hagen.

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Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. At the end of the day, it will be legally binding, signed off by the Tlicho government, the Government of the Northwest Territories, and the federal government will sign it, and it will be a legal document. As to legislation, I would have to get back to you on exactly how to see that going forward. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Okay. I am going to leave that one alone for now. I remain concerned that we are spending money on this without the federal government being at the table. I want to move forward on a couple of other areas in here. Can someone explain to me why there has been no progress on developing policy legislation to help prevent more public liabilities? There is a unit, I think, located in here, securities and project assessment. It was announced with great fanfare by the previous Minister, and nothing seems to have happened. I am not aware of any policy on mine site reclamation that replaces the federal one that we have somehow endorsed. We are not going to see a new Waters Act. Maybe there might be something in the Public Lands Act. Where is there any policy or legislation that is going to improve and prevent more public liabilities from happening? That is a mandate commitment. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Minister.

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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a complex and involved area that has been alluded to by the Member. On the issue of securities, if I might address that, we believe that we have addressed most of the issues identified in the 2012 Auditor General's report on federal mining securities management and programs that transferred to the GNWT with devolution. We are currently completing work on the report's priority recommendation, a securities tracking system to support regular reviews of securities amounts and closure plans for major projects. I see that we are currently holding $644.8 million of land and water securities in cash and non-cash forms. We do realize that this is an important area. The department has updated the securities provisions in our land management legislation. This will be included in the bill that we have introduced during this sitting. We do recognize also that securities management is a shared responsibility among the GNWT department, the federal government, Indigenous landowners, and so on. We are doing work in this area. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Any closing comments on that, Mr. O'Reilly?

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I might have to get put back on.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

If you want to get put back on the list, I will give you a second round. Your time has expired for this round, so we will put you back and start the clock fresh. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Mr. Thompson?

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The Chair R.J. Simpson

Okay. I guess Mr. Thompson also wants to be put on the list, so we will get to him first, and then Mr. O'Reilly, unless someone else needs to get on there as well. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will try to be brief on this one here. In regard to the cabin leases, I know that we have reached out to the Indigenous groups to get them to work with the department. Can the Minister advise us how the work is going in that area? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I hope that is in this area.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. You've got a one-in-three shot. Minister.

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Louis Sebert

Louis Sebert Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am not sure if I clearly heard the question. Maybe I could ask the questioner: are we talking about addressing unauthorized and potential rights-based occupancy? Very well. Obviously, we don't condone the unlawful use of public lands, and we continue to take action regarding unauthorized occupants. We do recognize, however, that we must, of course, respect Aboriginal and treaty rights. We have reached out to Indigenous organizations to begin work to find effective ways to identify potential rights-based cabins. This work is in the early stages and will help the department take action regarding unauthorized occupancy. We need to know what is out there, if I can put it that way. That is why we reached out to Indigenous governments, to work on ways to determine which cabins are potentially rights-based cabins. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am fully aware of that. I am just trying to find out what the uptake has been from the Indigenous groups. I have been aware that we have reached out to them. There have been letters. There have been presentations to the Indigenous groups. What has been the uptake with them to help us identify traditional cabins versus unauthorized occupancy on the land? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Hagen.

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Hagen

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We have been moving forward in the last couple of months, engaging in every region of the Northwest Territories with Indigenous governments, including in the ISR with IRC, identifying who is out in the regions that either have a lease or are on private land or have a right in their land claim agreement on public lands. It is a slow process, but everybody is cooperating in ensuring that we get the names, and that is one reason why we need the analyst doing mapping of all of the areas where the rights-based cabins are. Once we have that established in every region, then the rest of them who don't have leases will be unauthorized, and then we will be going after them. Preferably, the first action would be to get them into a lease. The last action would be compliance and taking them into court to evict them from territorial lands. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Thompson.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. If I understand Mr. Hagen correctly, then, the Indigenous groups, land claim groups, or the First Nations groups, the regional councils, they have agreed to work with us and are moving forward, even though it may be slow, but they have agreed to work with us on this? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair R.J. Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Hagen.