This is page numbers 393 - 436 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was communities.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to just make a comment first before I ask the question, and that is that I'm very proud to say that most of the people at the two facilities in Fort Smith are extremely qualified and do an excellent job. I've been to both facilities at various times with clients, especially when I was with my other leadership role in Salt River. I support both facilities and the staff. There are some gaps in the system, and a lot of the people in there are long-term residents, members of Salt River, members of the Metis community that are staffing these units. They run a really incredible atmosphere at both facilities. I want to commend them for that. There's some of the staff members that have sometimes get into, maybe a problem of some kind, whether it be, could be a DUI or something, and it hasn't gone to court yet. Then they're disciplined in a certain manner, and they get fired without just cause. Then there have been times when the offence didn't even go to court, and they've been fired. They've gone to the union, and the union takes too long to get to the case, and the family has been ruined.

I want to know if you, as the Minister, would put a more objective group in place for these kind of cases and it not be a form of dictatorship and a trial and everything else in your department by one or two people that are doing this and letting this happen when a whole family is ruined because of this. It's happened a couple times. I've had a couple of people at Salt River when I was there that that had happened to, and since then I've had about 10 people come to me and explain this whole situation to me of what's been happening with dictatorship, injustice for people. They have rights. Everybody in Canada has a right. You're with the Department of Justice. I want to know how you're going to deal with that.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Human resources happen to fall within the purviews of the Department of Finance. I happen to know, whether wearing either one of my hats, that the Department of Justice and supported by the Department of Finance, do have robust policies in place that they follow whenever there is a question of needing to terminate an individual. Individuals who work within the corrections service, by necessity, have to meet a very high standard of conduct, given the position of trust that they're in and that, if there are concerns with their performance, that those processes are the processes to evaluate their performance in human resources are going to be followed. It is my responsibility, and will be my responsibility, to ensure that those processes are followed, to review those processes if necessary. I can certainly commit to doing so if necessary in order to ensure that those procedures and processes, which are meant to be objective and independent and fair, are followed. I'm confident our partners in the union will do the same and will take their roles seriously, and I would like to assure the Member that we will continue to perform those functions in the best accordance with the law. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Just a reminder to all the Members, as well, that any questions go to the chair first, not directed to the Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Mr. Chair, I also want to ask the Minister why we are following BC standards and not using Canadian standards in justice?

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I can only assume, Mr. Chair, that the Member might be referring to the fact that there are individuals who have attended the Northwest Territories from British Columbia with specialized skills, to deliver specialized training, but the Department of Justice applies, to the extent that there is a criminal code, the federal criminal code, and to the extent that it's the laws of the Northwest Territories, and indeed we have developed our own training program for corrections officers with northern components within that, and will continue to refine and deliver that program in the Northwest Territories to corrections officers here. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Member for Thebacha. Corrections. Please turn to page 267. Justice, corrections, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $38,511,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Committee agrees. Thank you. The next section is court services, beginning on page 270, information item on page 272. Are there any questions? No questions. Please turn to page 271. Justice, court services, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $14,281,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Agreed. Thank you, committee. Legal aid services, beginning on page 273, with information item on page 275. Any questions? Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am looking at the compensation and benefits line under legal aid services, and I see it's increased by about $900,000 since the 2018-2019 actuals. Can the Minister tell us what's driving this increase? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just confirming that the actuals can sometimes include vacant positions that may or may not have been filled at the time, whereas the main estimates assumes all the positions that have been allocated to the department. We would point back to the revised estimates to show the difference. I can note, Mr. Chair, that there is some increase as a result of increases related to the collective agreement, and the increase in funding for one additional position with the outreach lawyer. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. No further questions. Any further questions with respect to legal aid services? No further questions. Please turn to page 274. Justice, legal aid services, operations expenditures summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $7,013,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Office of the Regulator of Oil and Gas Operations beginning on page 276 with information item on page 278. Any questions? Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I'm just wondering, the Minister's in kind of a funny position here with regard to the OROGO budget. Is this prepared by the staff of OROGO, and then, provided to the Minister for review and/or approval? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Staff of OROGO do, certainly, have a significant role in completing the materials and it, of course, still have to be put together in conjunction with the Department of Justice. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Does this budget go to the Financial Management Board? Who signs off on the budget? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, it follows the same process as the rest of the main estimates. Thank you.