[Microphone turned off] ...with that. I will start by saying I had made the assumption when I first started that, you were right, any transboundary would be objected to by all Indigenous governments within the NWT, but that is not so in the Gwich'in on the Beaufort-Delta, is my understanding, because the Gwich'in do travel more. In talking to Ken Smith, it's a little bit different up there.

The transboundary in the southern area is going to be contentious. My understanding was that, before, the federal government was doing this; they were doing that with us at the table or not. Yes, Bob McLeod's government was fighting to say, "Let us be at the table. At least let us be at the table," because they were going to sign it off, be a done deal, and not even ask for consultation in the North. They have that power. My understanding is that we actually finally got to the table, and we are asking for consultation.

I did meet with the group when they signed the agreement in principle, and they asked me point blank, "How do you think the Indigenous governments will take this in the consultation?" and point blank, the head of chair, I said to them, each of them, "They will take it -- my gut, I don't know, but my gut is telling me they will take it as well as you would take it if Indigenous governments from the NWT were coming into your territory." That is my last conversation that I had with them. I do not expect the consultation on this side to go well, but I do know that, if we are not at the table, we are in danger. The federal government has been pretty clear that they have the power. Madam Chair, the deputy minister may want to expand. If he wants to, I am not sure.