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Committee Motion 79-19(2): Tabled Document 286-19(2): Main Estimates 2021-2022 - Lands - Corporate Management - Deletion of $303,000 from Grants, Contributions and Transfers, Defeated
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Chapman

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes. The Minister has touched on one of the criteria that we will obviously be using to evaluate, is whether or not they can be moved in a reasonable manner in a location, not to a new location itself, but within the current proximity to where it is. Again, that is always going to be premised with the need to go out to consultation in advance of that, so even the idea that it could be moved still may not be enough to meet the criteria that we will be establishing. The other piece to this is that, through our notice process, we will be giving individuals the opportunity to deconstruct or remove, whatever it may be, and so fundamentally, we will be following the legal process and if they choose to remove that, then that makes it less of a burden on the taxpayers, obviously.

Ultimately, if they choose not to and they fight this and we go through the legal process, we will take over control and ownership of the assets and we will need to remove them. We may take a variety of different avenues at that point in time, which could include things like having an auction to remove some of these and/or ultimately going after the individual for costs associated with the removal. There are a couple of different legal steps that could be deployed, but again, each one will be case specific. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Chapman. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. One of the earlier speakers mentioned the elimination of the equity lease administration line for 2021-2022. This was a program that was announced with much fanfare by the previous Minister and was supposed to go on for I think five years. Is this ending early, and have all of those leases been inspected now and they've all been transferred to fee simple ownership? Is that what has happened? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

It is being sunsetted, so it is done. The funding of the program has been sunsetted. As for the number of leases or equity leases out there, I think the deputy minister talked about a number of them already going through the process, but all of them, no. They are not all done, but we are able to provide services from our existing staff to fulfil that mandate to complete that task. The task has not completely been completed, but we are working to get that done. For further clarity, if I missed anything, with your permission, I will ask the assistant deputy minister. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Chapman.

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Chapman

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As the Minister has stated, we are in the process of trying to work through these. I think one of the questions the Member had asked is whether or not inspections had been completed at all of the various leases. Yes, they have been, on all the parcels, so we had all that work completed by end of summer/fall of 2020. We have that information, that baseline data that is on each and every file. We have gone out with letters to the existing lessees to notify them of getting into the next stage of this process, which would be potentially moving toward fee simple title, which will, again, as I mentioned earlier, involve the process of consultation with our various Indigenous governments and organizations. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Chapman. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Can someone just give me a rough figure? Like have 50 percent of these been converted now to fee simple title, or 10 percent, or 3 percent? Can I just get a rough figure of how many of these equity leases have actually been converted to fee simple title? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

For that detail, I'll turn the floor to the assistant deputy minister. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you. Mr. Chapman.

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Chapman

Thank you, Mr. Chair. At this point, we've sent out 150 letters to the lessees in this process, to which we have heard responses, as of earlier today, from 46, and we will now be moving toward fee simple with those individuals. Not everyone who we've engaged with seems to be as eager as others. There are some who are certainly moving much more quickly than others. When it comes down to the specific that the Member has asked, the question of how many have transferred to date, we have transferred only one at this point in time, but a lot of that is due to a variety of different aspects that are within the lessees' control, as well as our own, to move through the land titles process. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Chapman. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Yes, I'll move on now, too. Can the Minister tell me whether there is any funding in here for inspection and remediation of Cameron Hills? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. For that detail, I'll ask Assistant Deputy Minister Chapman to respond. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Rocky Simpson

Mr. Chapman.

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Chapman

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As part of our ongoing budget, we do provide for inspection services in the South Slave, and so we have our regular inspections at Cameron Hills or in other locations where there is activity going on. We do have that as part of our ongoing affairs, year in and year out. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Mr. Chapman. Member.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. Is there any funding in here for remediation work at Cameron Hills? I understand that the property is in bankruptcy and there is still a court-appointed receiver, but it is certainly heading our way. Do we record a contingent liability anywhere in the department for the remediation that is required there? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. For that detail, I'll turn to Mr. Chapman. Thank you.

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The Chair Rocky Simpson

Mr. Chapman.

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Chapman

Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, there is nothing in our existing or current budget for remediation. While this operator is certainly under court-monitored protection at this point in time, we are not at a stage where we have determined what the final outcome will be, and so fundamentally, until that point in time, we have not submitted for any form of remediation costs associated with that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.