The Member is right to be sceptical. She wouldn't be here if she wasn't; none of us would. Governments say lots of things, and sometimes they don't happen. I don't know if there is anything I could say that would assure me as a Regular Member. It has to be proven. We have to actually do the work. We have to come back on a regular basis and show that we're doing the work, and that's really the only way to prove ourselves.

I will note that there was one difference, something that's never been done before. That is that this is not just an effort of the department, and it's not just an effort of the department staff. We also have the UNW involved at a level they've never been involved at before, with reporting to the deputy ministers of Finance, of Justice, and to the president of the UNW. I think that gives a much stronger voice to the staff than has happened previously, and it's going to force a lot more collaboration and more positive outcomes.