In the Legislative Assembly on October 14th, 2022. See this topic in context.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My questions are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment who is also responsible for mining. The timeline for public engagement on mining regulations is slipping and badly. Meanwhile, the department is holding detailed secret meetings with the mining industry. And I did give the Minister a head's up.

So can the Minister tell us how many secret meetings have been held with the mining industry in 2020 and 2022, and why the information presented to them has not been made public? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm inclined to say that there are no secret meetings. And simply sit down, that might be one path by which we could go about this. But leaving the wording and the language aside, I know we will not probably see eye to eye on this, there have been 32 meetings held with industry on the Mineral Resources Act regulations. This is, indeed, with the very entities who will be most directly impacted, most directly involved, and have the expertise to help develop these regulations.

All that said, Mr. Speaker, again, this is a normal process. Processes that are involved in the Department of Finance and the Department of ITI with which I have the most awareness, I can assure you all of which we would go to stakeholders who are most directly involved, would produce What We Heard reports. We'd take the opportunity to have open engagement platforms with the public. That process is going to occur here as well. There will be opportunity -- ongoing opportunity for interested parties to participate. There is the website open right now.

I note, again, you can't really win. If it's too detailed, we're told we're flooding people and if it's not detailed enough, it's too general. But I would encourage anyone interested in the area to obtain that website and provide their feedback. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for the information about the 32 meetings.

Look, there's one web page on the ITI website about development of these mining regulations with a vague list of topics, and it's been there for three months and there's been literally no changes. I mentioned that, you know, these detailed secret meetings the department is having with the mining industry.

So can the Minister commit to publicly post the PowerPoint presentations being given at these secret meetings so everyone has access to the information? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, just because one person is not maybe at the table doesn't make it a secret meeting. I don't want to belabour this point, Mr. Speaker. These are the industry partners who are most affected, the most impacted, and are the experts in the area. But more importantly, we are working with IGCS in this process. The Intergovernmental council, these are the partners that we're working at with ITI. And I am very mindful of that relationship.

We have, of course, co-management here in the Northwest Territories. It is a system of regulatory processes that we are proud of. And before I go out and make any promises to publish anything that I'm working with them, I want to go back and make sure that they will not be taken by surprise and that the IGCS, of which the GNWT is only one member, are on board with what we are publishing and the pace at which we're doing that. So let me go and confirm with those partners and make sure that what we put out to the public is in line with their expectations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. The problem is some information's being shared with, you know, the same industry this department is supposed to be regulating and one else has access to it, the public. You know, when does the public get to have a say on these issues? So, you know, I also mentioned that the -- I had to apply under Access to Information to get some of the documents that the department has contracted with some consultants. Someone from the mining industry actually thanked me for doing that. And another shares my concerns over the lack of public engagement.

So can the Minister tell us when any of the contract work and internal research is finally going to be shared with the public so that there's some meaningful public engagement? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for ITI.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is quite common, in fact, for departments, all departments, to conduct their research and their policy developments and to do that often internally. Sometimes they'll use contracts and sometimes they will not. So the detailed analysis and the research that goes into it does not always form part of the public engagement materials. That is not in and of itself unusual. I am pleased to hear that Members of this Assembly are engaged with industry and to discuss with them matters of importance, of shared interest.

When there are recommendations ready, then the recommendations will be put out to the public for comment. That is a standard process, and we'll be utilizing that in ITI as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. At some point, there's supposed to be five sets of detailed mining regulations posted for comment, and these are going to cover things like, you know, royalties, benefits, dispute resolution, and so on. Another vague and high level What We Heard report is just not going to cut it, Mr. Speaker. To ensure that there's some greater transparency and to avoid apprehension of bias by the department that is both a promoter and a regulator, comments made on these draft regulations should be public and so should any responses.

So can the Minister commit to ensuring that comments and responses on the draft mining regulations will be made public in the interest of fairness and transparency? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the same process that gets utilized when we're developing other pieces of legislation will certainly be utilized here. And in fact, quite often with regulatory development, regulations do not get the same level of engagement and research and input that these regulations are getting. So with that said, Mr. Speaker, again, subject only to the fact that there may be parties, there may be members of the public when they submit their comments, again, similar to any other development of legislation and regulation, who do not expect their comments to be made public.

So subject to ensuring that I'm not, you know, invading the privacy or confidence of members of the public who might be making comments, it is certainly our intention to try to put out as much information without the policy proposals that are in place, the background to them, and then what kinds of comments are made available prior to having the final materials put together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Colleagues, before we continue, I just want to remind Members normally questions and answers are five minutes per person. We're pushing seven. So just give everybody a chance, so tighten up the questions and answers would be appreciated. Thank you.

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