In the Legislative Assembly on October 20th, 2022. See this topic in context.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Mr. Chair, I move that this committee defer further consideration of the estimates for the Department of Health and Social Services at this time. Mahsi, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Question has been called. All those in favour? All of those opposed? Abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Thank you, committee. Is committee prepared to move on to the next department? Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Thank you to the Minister and her staff. Sergeant-at-arms, please escort the witnesses from the Chamber. Mahsi.

Committee, we have agreed to consider Tabled Document 723-19(2), Capital Estimates 2023-2024 for the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment. Does the Minister of ITI wish to bring witnesses into the Chamber.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Sergeant-at-arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber.

Minister, please introduce your witnesses.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, on my left, I have the deputy minister Pamela Strand. On my right, Nina Salvador is director of finance.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Committee has agreed to forego general comments. Does the committee agree to proceed to the detail contained in the tabled document?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Committee, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment begins on page 46. We will defer the departmental totals and review the estimates by activity summary beginning at page 48 with minerals and petroleum resources, with information item on page 49. Any questions from committee? Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you I see we have $100,000 for the mineral and administration and registry system, also known as the MARS system. I believe this is the software necessary to give us online map staking the minute the regulations are in force. Can I get, well, get confirmation that that's true and when we can expect to have online map staking.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, that is, indeed, correct that that is part of what MARS will be doing, is creating the parameters by which there can be online map staking. It is also part of the platform that will allow for applications and submissions to occur online, for map viewing online, data analysis, a 24/7 availability. So it's more than just the online map staking. And it is tied, indeed, to the regulations. They're being built together so that those who are developing the platform know what it is that they are being asked to develop.

At this point, we're -- I'd like to suggest we -- if I could have another few more months to answer the question, and the reason I say that in terms of timeline is that by the spring, we'll have a better sense of the timing on some of the relevant regulations and their contents and can then potentially making decisions on what could be done to accelerate the delivery on the online map staking. But, yes, looking for June 2023 to have an update on a final go live date. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you. I'm sure I'll ask this question a couple more times to make sure that's all on track and we can, you know, finally be the -- well, get -- have every jurisdiction in Canada have online map staking.

I see you're asking for $100,000. I'm assuming that this system costs a lot more than that. I mean, it would be nice if it didn't. But can someone give me the estimated total cost for the mineral administration registry system? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister. Mr. Chair, let me just direct that over to the deputy minister, please. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deputy minister.

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Strand

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So the MARS project is not just what you see in the capital estimates right there. It's a $4.2 million program that's over three years. So the subsequent year also has a very significant number. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you. Yeah, okay, I see that. So we spent $2 million on it last year, then it's presumably next fiscal we'll spend another $2 million or so to get us there. Can I just get a bit more information on this? Have we secured a tender for it? Is someone -- who's building us this, or -- yeah, I don't know where you actually go to buy a minerals registry system. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So there -- yes, you can actually go out and buy these kind of systems, but it's certainly not a small procurement that takes place. Right at this point it is internal, and so that's where you recall that there were transfers as between the Department of Finance, which is where ISSS, Information and Shared System Services resides, over to ITI so that internal work by GNWT public servants can take place. It will ultimately go out for contracting so that it can go to someone -- to an entity that is specialized in the delivery of the construction of a program like this. And, yes, I think that's the answer. Sorry, Mr. Chair. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, I guess just my last question is there any chance that the feds will give us any money for this? You know, maybe it seems like something CanNor would be interested in. It certainly will have a big economic impact on our minerals industry. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I mean, Mr. Chair, at this point I don't have -- I mean, this is, right now, the budget that we have here is already underway. So I can't say that I've received any particular money from the feds on this particular project. Now that said, you know, to the extent that there's -- yes -- yes, at this point, Mr. Chair, that's not where the funding is coming from. So thanks. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Any further questions from committee? Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. So I think I heard a few things that I just want to understand a bit better. So is there more money, then, that's required to go to MARS on 2024-2025; is that correct? Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

This is getting interesting. We're talking about MARS and international space stations. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, I'd suggest I'll direct it to the director of finance, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Director of finance.

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Salvador

Mr. Chair, we have a $1.4 million budget for MARS in 2024-2025. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Okay, thanks for that. And so who's done the work then for the $2.176 million in 2022-2023; who's doing that work now? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, again, Mr. Chair, some of the work that's occurring -- a lot of the work that's occurring has, indeed, been done through GNWT's public service. There are also some contracts with the entity that's responsible for LTOS platform, the Spatial Dimension Canada, which is involved there. I can't -- I don't have in front of me whether or not that's the entire amount that was referenced by the Member. But those would be the way that the money has gone, as I've said again, that there's the both internal funding that's been used for our own staff as well as for, again, the trimble which is through Spatial Dimension Canada doing LT2 -- the LTOS portion. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. So can I get a breakdown from the Minister of who's done what and how much it's cost us for this project and right through to the end of it if there needs to be projections. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, let me -- I'll certainly take that commitment away and just confirm that I am able to, to the extent to which we can break it down and that there's no running up against any procurement concerns. But subject to that, I will provide that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, thanks. And if the Minister needs to stamp "confidential" all over it, I'll still be interested in seeing it.

So when this thing is finished, how much is it going to cost us in terms of O and M on an annual basis? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm not sure that we would necessarily have a final on that at this point. I mean, the system hasn't even been designed yet. So I mean, I can only speak to it from the perspective of knowing what happens over with ISSS that there certainly is some O and M that is associated with big technical projects. But, again, at this point, we don't even have the system actually designed. So it's premature for me to take an estimate. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. So is this thing going to be run on a cost-recovery basis? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, determining any associated fees with the new Mineral Resources Act and the various processes therein, then obviously determining the cost associated is part of the development. So point taken, that we could consider if cost recovery is feasible. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I don't want to try to wander too far, but. So one of the concerns I've raised about map staking all along is how the fees are going to be set. Maybe when the public -- the industry might get to have a say. But to make sure that we don't just end up in a staking frenzy and where people are able to tie up land all over the place for big periods of time and not commit to actually do any work. So when are we going to -- when is the department looking at setting these fees, and how do we ensure that there's a proper balance between what the government gets and trying to encourage exploration but also being sure people don't tie up land and do nothing on it. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I did not plan to be speaking to the Mineral Resources Act regulations development. But perhaps in the interest of getting some information, I will turn it to the deputy minister, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deputy minister.

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Strand

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. So right now we are looking at what the rules are for online map -- for the staking within the MRA, and I think what we've seen in other jurisdictions has not been a huge land grab such as when Nunavut moved into the online map staking world. So it's a balance between the fees and what rules we have about maximum acreages that you can stake, or hectares that you stake, etcetera, etcetera. So thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, thanks, Mr. Chair. Yeah, I'm anxious to hear more about when that debate/discussion is going to start because it hasn't so far, and can the Minister tell us when it's going to begin. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, "discussion", I think probably better characterizes the process here. So, I mean, again, there has been work being done with the intergovernmental council and the working groups there around the development of all aspects of the Mineral Resources Act. There is an open portal right now for people to express if they have particular concerns or particular questions, and particularly if they want a more technical briefing that is certainly a route by which to request that. And as we obviously get further in on any of these various items, we'll be bringing those to the standing committees as appropriate as well. So, you know, yes, in order to ensure that there's proper fees associated -- and appropriate fees are associated, that certainly will form part of having -- of the ongoing process that we're in. But, yes, Mr. Chair, at this point I did not expect to be speaking to the mineral resource regulations development, so I don't necessarily have my -- I do have a very detailed Gantt chart. I didn't think to bring it with me, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. I see no more questions from committee in this section, if we can turn -- we're on page 48, infrastructure, investments $100,000. Does committee agree.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Committee, please turn to page -- we'll just take a couple seconds here. Someone can't hear me up there.

Committee, we're back; everything's been straightened out. We're going to page 50, tourism and parks, with information item on page 51. And any questions from committee? Everyone found their pages, committee? Page 50, tourism and parks. Questions? Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

I see that there's a Yellowknife River day area accessible boardwalk. Can I just get a couple more sentences about what that's about. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, let me turn that to the deputy minister, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deputy minister.

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Strand

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this project is meant to provide accessibility to park users. As you know at the Yellowknife River day use area, you're pretty much limited to the parking lot, and there is sort of a little trail that goes down to the point, a foot trail. So it's meant to accommodate wheelchairs and provide more accessibility to a beautiful view of Great Slave Lake. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

That's great, I'm happy to hear that, very exciting. I'll go walk the trail when it's done.

My other question is I know that I brought this up before, when you kind of reach the end of Ingraham Trail, you hit Tibbitt Lake, and then you kind of just hit an ice road, and often there has been garbage, there has been the shortage of parking. And, you know, I think a lot of tourists they go drive the Ingraham Trail because there's not a lot to do and, you know, they want to go for a drive and then you just kind of hit this area that ends in nothing. And I've had requests for some sort of garbage can. Perhaps an outhouse, perhaps a little parking area. You know, I don't know -- I don't need a full park, just a roadside pullout that makes the end of the trail a little nicer. And I know there's some signage. It's perhaps not the type of signage I envision which is, you know, something nicer acknowledging the area or something. But anyway, can we get an update on whether that is possible. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, because the Ingraham Trail itself up to and including right to the end, the area around Tibbitt Lake that the MLA is mentioning, is not a park, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment doesn't have any sort of authority or control over that space. To the extent that there may be room for a pullout or parking or some other sort of highway or roadway facilities, that'll be a question to direct to the Department of Infrastructure. As folks may be aware here, and you'll recall the Department of Infrastructure and ITI do often work together to see that there is opportunity for facilities on roadways and highways. So I will certainly engage with my colleague in that regard. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. Johnson.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

No, I'll raise this during Infrastructure as well. I know what happened -- well, what happened now, since we put a bunch of cabins out on Tibbitt, is that everyone parks along the side of the road and then a few years ago Infrastructure started telling people you can't park on the side of the road. So there's no parking. And this goes back to, you know, perhaps inconsistent land uses on the Ingraham Trail. But just -- anyways, I'll raise this with the Department of Infrastructure that I'm hoping we can get some sort of small area so people can park their vehicles and have a garbage can. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

I take that as a comment. Any further questions in this section? Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Yeah, thanks, Mr. Chair. Yeah, further to my colleague from Yellowknife North, I've spent several weekends out at a friend's cabin at Tibbitt and at the end of the road is a problem. There's no outhouse. People are doing their stuff all over the place. And the parking there, there's sort of a pseudo boat launch and garbage is accumulating. It's not very good.

You know, my colleague in the last Assembly, from Yellowknife North, got a pullout at the Big Hill Lake trailhead across from Madeline Lake. It's an excellent facility there now with a pullout for parking, and it's actually quite well used. Every time I go by, there's -- somebody has got parked in there and I call it the Cory Vanthuyne pullout. So I'm hoping that you folks can work with Infrastructure to do something similar because that's a very well used area right now and needs some work. Thanks, Mr. Chair. More of a comment.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, Mr. Chair, I am also very familiar with the pullout at Big Hill Lake, and so I do know what is being, you know, referenced here. That was, as I understand, quite a safety issue. I can't speak for the Department of Infrastructure and whether or when they would decide to put a pullout elsewhere on the Ingraham Trail. I can only confirm I will take this away and discuss with colleagues -- and I'm mentioning the Department of Infrastructure but Lands also obviously is quite involved given that there may have to be a land usage and land planning issue depending on the nature of where exactly we're talking about putting something further. So as I've said, obviously my colleagues are sitting here, and we will have that conversation collectively. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi, Minister. Mr. O'Reilly.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Nothing further, thanks. But I look forward to raising the issue with the Minister of Infrastructure on her day. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Any further questions from committee? Ms. Nokleby.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I am just curious to know what's going to happen at the Liard River ferry crossing day use area. I had an opportunity to park my vehicle there and was quite shocked at how many cars park there in that area at the crossing when they're choppering across. So I am just curious how that will all get incorporated and how large of a day use area are we talking about. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, let me direct that to the deputy minister, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deputy minister.

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Strand

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, yes, this area we know in the past has been very heavily used, an important place. So the plan for the Liard crossing includes the development of a day use area that will include six camp areas so that people can have fire pits and picnic tables. We'll have signage along the highway as well to create awareness of that fact, and it'll be right along the river. And a water and woodshed will also be built to offer travellers water or food for cooking and enjoying their fire as well as garbage receptacles. So the life for this park improvement is supposed to be about approximately 15 years. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Ms. Nokleby.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you for that. I'm just curious to know, then, is that up out of the flood plain given what was happening with the river. Has that been all -- I'm assuming has all been taken into account but maybe if the Minister or her department could speak to that, that would be great. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I would also assume that that scoping has been done, but I don't know. So let me take that away, and I will make a commitment to get back to the Member with a public response on that.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Ms. Nokleby.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I just can't resist - what's going on with MLA Semmler's outhouses that always keep getting shot up, up in Inuvik, have those been replaced this year? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to make sure I have the right park when I go to see which one this is. But the deputy minister might now offhand immediately which one it is so let me turn to her, please.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Deputy minister.

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Strand

I don't have that on my fingertips but what we have built into our capital planning is making sure that we upkeep the assets, such as the outhouses that might have been vandalized or other factors. So it is top of mind. And we are ensuring that that's built into our capital plan annually. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Ms. Nokleby.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you for that. And I was being a little tongue and cheek, so I do appreciate the deputy minister and Minister indulging me.

I guess my last question is just around the -- oh, and I'm not going to say this right -- the park renewable energy retrofits that I can't say the first name of, in Inuvik. Thank you. If I could have some more information there. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I believe we're talking about Nataiinlaii park, but I'm again probably not quite doing justice to the name. And, Mr. Chair, with respect to that project, this -- it's a full-service campground with 21 complete camp sites, group camping, kitchen, shelters, staff house buildings etcetera. And obviously fuel costs are fairly significant, so looking to install a solar panel system which should both obviously be a greener source of power but also be one that would be a lot less noisy and then hopefully significantly less costly. Right now we're looking around $4,000 a month to operate. So that is a little bit of savings.

And, sorry, I think I may have missed one of the residual questions. If I did, I apologize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Ms. Nokleby, was that it?

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, no, I just wanted to know what the retrofit was. And I just want to say I think that's super cool, and I hope that we'll see more solar sort of arrays in our parks. Thanks.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you. I see in North Arm campground kitchen shelter. I know it's been -- you know, they've been working on it for quite some time. So I just want to ask the Minister, are we on time to complete this project?

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So right now, Mr. Chair, this current fiscal, there was, of course -- I shouldn't say of course. There was a design process underway. I believe that is on schedule in terms of the kitchen shelter and the cultural building. The next stage of it for the current capital plan would be actual construction. That's an amount that is proposed for $450,000. So obviously that one will be subject to whether or not there is a passing of this budget, whether or not that kitchen shelter is built or not in the coming here. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you. Another one, too, is that I know that they mentioned quite a few times that tourism is, you know, is important and that's what we need. So I'm just wondering if ITI, you know, wants to promote tourism, especially in the North, and in Tlicho region we don't have anything. So I know -- and they're building -- you know, I know there's visitors centres quite a few places, especially in the larger centres. And Tlicho region, Behchoko is the largest Dene community in the Northwest Territories. What we need in the Tlicho region is a visitors centre. But I know that in the past -- a while ago, Tlicho government asked this Minister for an outhouse to be built on Highway 3, or possibly on Tlicho Highway, and they said, no, it was -- you know, and even Tlicho asked that if they can partner up with them and they can build them an outhouse. That was not possible too. So I am just wondering, like visitors centre, we can have all those things. We can have a gas station. We can have arts and crafts that's locally made. And we can also have a washroom since they can't build us an outhouse on Highway 3 because that Highway 3 is the busiest highway in the Northwest Territories. And with the new Tlicho Highway, I know there's -- so there was a concern from the government itself so they asked. So I'm just wondering, will the Minister partner -- because I think this is a good opportunity because they are always talking about partnering with the Indigenous government. So can they -- so I think this is a good chance, this is a good opportunity for them to, you know, to form this partnership and build a visitors centre in Tlicho region. Can they commit to partner with the Tlicho government to build a visitors centre or outhouse on Highway 3 or on Tlicho Highway? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, Mr. Chair, there's been no ask to me with respect to any visitors centre. What we do have, as I've said in the last response, was that the North Arm Park, there's a significant amount of capital proposed to build a kitchen shelter and campground, so would very much like to pass this capital project first to get that project underway and complete this campground which has been built under the Tlicho infrastructure cooperation agreement. So it has gone through that very unique process of working with the Tlicho government with that agreement for the procurement of the various parks facilities and would -- similarly this kitchen shelter would be much the same.

With respect to partnering and working with Tlicho government on, you know, tourism and tourism capacity, Mr. Chair, we are very much hoping that it would be the region who would be the potential operators of the park facility at North Arm Park. I would note in an effort to run a pilot or in a training program this summer, there was no interest and no uptake. We're trying again this winter. So very much hoping that -- perhaps I'll connect with the MLA. We can get that information out to the region, again wanting the region to be responsible for this park. And, you know, also working with the Tlicho government right now in terms of what may or may not be happening at Whati falls based on their government's direction.

So there is quite a lot of partnered work happening with the region, with the local government. You know, the idea of doing an extra outhouse somewhere on the highway when you are either half an hour to Behchoko at most or half an hour to Yellowknife at most, that hasn't been identified as a priority at this point. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Yes, yes, thank you. I would like to sit down with her and, you know, talk about this, and then possibly with the Tlicho government to promote tourism industry and regarding the visitors centre as well, because now that there's the all-season road going to Whati, you know, visitors centre is necessary in Tlicho region. It doesn't matter where it goes, either in Behchoko or in Whati, but there is a road there. So I really support that. And then I would like this government to continue working with the Tlicho government to support this initiative. So, yeah, so that is good. It's a good sign, I think it's a start, you got to start somewhere.

So, yeah, so that's -- and another one -- but I think that's on the next page and it's not on this page as well. But it's the next one. But I just wanted to make note I talked to -- I know she's the Finance Minister but it's not on here, but Tlicho -- north -- Tlicho region is still identified part of the North Slave region. So I just wanted to know -- and there's 20 percent. It says that there's 20 percent of infrastructure being spent in North Slave region. How much of those are being spent in Tlicho region itself? Tlicho region is not part of North Slave.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Minister, we're on the -- and to the Member, we're on Industry, Tourism and Investment, we're not on the Finance department, we went through that. But if you would like to address it, you may. Mahsi.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, I think that is a question that's looking at the entire capital budget that is being proposed. So let me take that back and when the Department of Finance is here, that might be the time to attempt a more fulsome response. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Ms. Weyallon-Armstrong.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

No, thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Any further questions on tourism and parks from anybody? Mr. Edjericon.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's more a question but I was just thinking about these projects that you already have on the books here and after we looked at the whole budget for this year and realistically this is what you're putting forward and what guys work on. I guess what I'm thinking is that we don't know what's going to happen but in case one of these projects don't get off the ground or delayed for any reason or might be carried over to next fiscal year, is there any way that we could probably try to move some of this money around so that we could probably top off housing so that we are able to, you know, continue to address the needs of our people in our communities and housing? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. We're on tourism and parks and we're stealing money from other regions, but I'll allow the Minister to answer if she would like. Mahsi.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, it's probably a response that I'll want to have at some length outside of the House but, yes, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment has a set amount that it goes towards small capital particularly -- so for us it would be parks. If that is last, and I don't -- or carried over, which -- you know, sometimes there are projects that get carried over but, if anything, it just winds up going to other ITI projects that are then themselves underfunded. I don't know that we tend to carry over a whole lot within the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, or lapse a lot within Industry, Tourism and Investment, that is not restricted funding. So there won't be much real opportunity to say that there would be excess money sitting in ITI. Even if there were, Mr. Chair, it's not an obvious -- or it's not a seamless transition to then take it from this department, which has been approved here by the Legislative Assembly, and simply transfer it over to a different department without coming back through the Assembly. So I do appreciate the effort to find, you know, savings in order to add elsewhere, certainly as the Minister of Finance. But I certainly don't think ITI's going to be the source of any significant excess. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Mr. Edjericon.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm just thinking in -- I know there is a process already in place and people's -- in this budget here that's been worked on for years, and the community of Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e and Dettah and N'dilo, we already have, you know, roads that are going into Dettah and N'dilo that are in really good shape and going into Fort Resolution except for the last kilometre, which probably needs to be relooked at and re-chip sealed. But I'm hearing a little bit more about the roads in Fort Resolution that, you know, some residents are concerned that maybe it's something we should take a look at, at chip sealing those roads in the community. Also the community of Lutselk'e. They also talked about the problems with the dust in that community, and it's impacting everybody in the community health-wise as we breathe in the dust and etcetera in that community. So I just want to see if there's a way we could probably work with your department to trying to get some of these issues on the drawing board.

Also one more thing I was going to say is that at the Pine Point junction, when you go to Behchoko and you go to Hay River or fort -- up north, there's usually a place where there's a junction with proper lighting. But in Pine Point, when you go to the junction there onto -- onto the main highway there, there's no lighting. And I'm just hoping that maybe it's something that we could take a look at as well. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

I'd just like to remind Mr. Edjericon that we're on page 50 and 51, Industry, Tourism and Investment, tourism and parks. Your questions are more in line for the Department of Infrastructure dealing with highways and roads and lighting at junctions. I'm not sure if the Minister would entertain that question. I'll leave it up to her. Mahsi.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, only to acknowledge that with respect to the Department of Finance more generally, I am aware that this is an issue that's come up. And I will, you know, speak with Minister Archie so that between the two of us, and then we'll be prepared to answer those questions in the course of the review of the capital plans in COW. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi for that. Mr. Edjericon, we got Infrastructure next week anyway, on the docket anyways. So we'll just stick to this section here so we can -- we have something else to appeal to review too, I'll allow you. You've got four more minutes of questions.

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Richard Edjericon

Richard Edjericon Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Just looking at your 2023-2024 GNWT Capital Estimates, and just to my colleague as well talking about the North Slave region. Right now in the South Slave region, Fort Resolution is rolled into the South Slave region but this here when I look at the communities here, it's highlighted mostly in outside the South Slave region. So can you just confirm as well to me the communities of 15 percent for the South Slave region, so that we're clear. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Minister.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I think where we're going with this, Mr. Chair, is with respect to communities within Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh, and there are no parks capital projects for 2023-2024 planned in the community of Lutselk'e or Fort Resolution if that is ultimately where this is going. And if not, I apologize. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Mahsi. Mr. Edjericon. Questions there? Okay. No further questions? ITI, infrastructure investments, $2,978,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Ronald Bonnetrouge

Thank you, Members. Please turn to page 46. The department summary, capital estimates, $3,078,000. Does the committee agree? Member for Frame Lake.