I mean, I have the same concerns as the Member. I mean, I -- I'm old; I'm 61 years old, and I don't like to borrow money. I learned a long time ago don't borrow it because if you can't pay it back, you're in trouble. And if you can't live within your means, you're in bigger trouble. So I think that we have learn that. It's not as simple as just going and asking for more money every time we hit the limit.

We're going to have to make tough choices, not only this Assembly, in the next Assembly as well. There's going to have to be really tough choices. When you got 22 priorities, you're not making tough choices; you're trying to address them all.

Housing, like I said, that's why I came into politics because I cared about housing; I cared about people that weren't getting in to housing, people that were on the streets and people that were struggling to keeping their homes. That's why you'll see one little tiny one in here. I have to thank my colleague Minister Green who stood beside me on this one. The only one I fought for really hard in all of these priorities when it came to was the one that says "transition 100 individuals/families to homeownership", because I do believe, from my experience from all the years I've worked with low income families and just the couple of years I was housing minister, I seen the HAP houses and I seen homeownership and I seen that people that own their own house took care of those houses. Not all of them; there's always people that fall through the cracks. But the majority of them took care of those houses. There was pride in them. Their furnaces were heated and their houses were clean and their kids were fed. It made a difference.

And I also seen the other side when they were in public housing units. In one community - I use it all the time - 400 windows in one community I had to fix as the housing Minister. Why? Because people didn't care. They didn't own those houses. So as soon as I fixed those windows, they would -- kids were breaking them in the community. That taught me that homeownership is the key.

I hear Mr. Chair talking about HAP houses. I was also impressed with that.

So if we can make this priority in this one little piece here that says transition 100 people into homeownership that are in public housing now, hopefully, my hope is that that's going to prove what I suspect all along, and that we will continue, not only in this Assembly but in Assemblies to come, we need to give people the houses that they ask for.

People -- Indigenous people have told me from the beginning the federal government promised us housing. I haven't forgotten that. And I believe you don't reward bad behavior. So if people are wrecking their homes, you don't give them the home to own; they need to be in public housing. But if they are taking care of the homes, reward them. And that's going to help address that 2038 number. Because you're right, 2038's the operating and maintenance money's supposed to be gone. However, some of you will be here in 2038 and I have faith in politicians that the federal government, they might say that they're going to put it off the table but they -- hopefully, there will be wise politicians of the day that will not let that happen. So thank you, Mr. Chair.