Thank you, Madam Chair. It's quite clear that all of our policies on personal devices and handheld devices are quite outdated, and this is both an access and a privacy issue. And I guess this needs to be a reminder to the public service that please do not conduct any personal business on work cell phones and computers, and certainly do not conduct any work business on personal devices. These lines should not be blurred. They make both -- yes, the amount of information, private information that cell phones can collect these days is truly remarkable, but it takes it outside of ATIPP and it has had privacy breaches in the past.

Additionally, there's been concerns with public servants using software that is not "ATIPP-able" and thus taking decision-making outside of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. So we encourage the government to take a look at all of these policies and make sure that we're using our devices properly. Thank you.