Thank you very much, Madam Chair. And, Madam Chair, I wanted to talk about integrated case management as well. And I appreciate that my colleague to my left asked some of the questions that I had as well. But it actually led to a little bit of confusion for me.
So I get that ICM is kind of a team of pathfinders that then go and take people kind of from door to door of government departments to help them access all the services they might need whereas integrated service delivery doesn't use pathfinders because the whole idea there is breaking down the silos between departments so that you don't need pathfinders; you actually have government able to work to together. I get that. But in the questions that my colleague just asked, he asked what's the plan for the future and he was told there is no plan, and then in a subsequent question was told that the department is currently looking at ways to expand. And so there isn't a plan but there is a plan. And so I'm wondering if the Minister can clarify what actually is the intended future of integrated case management versus integrated service delivery? Because over the last four years, we've had integrated case management. People in this room have said hey, what about my community? People in my community are also struggling and falling through the gaps within the departments and trying to access services, and we have not seen any on the ground change in the last four years. And while we've kind of been trying to push integrated service delivery and trusting the government to be doing this work, on the flip side we're not seeing any change on the ground.
And so my question to the Minister is what is the plan, because while I appreciate the Minister says I can't say what's going to happen in the future but that's why you have a plan, so that you can say what's going to happen in the future. So that's my question, Madam Chair. Thank you.