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Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can tell you that the board of governors has identified that as their primary goal of how they'd like to start building some new infrastructure. They've identified that not just in Yellowknife but also in Fort Smith and also down the road in Inuvik. And I can also update this House that it is something that they're very focused on and that they acknowledge that it is a need in the territory in order to make sure that students have an opportunity to have somewhere to hang their head at night so that they can make it to class, and that place needs to, of course, be affordable. Thank you.

Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's becoming increasingly obvious that there's a disconnect between the board of governors and the ministry. Can the Minister commit to working with the board of governors to better understand their needs at bringing a quantifiable, tangible, proposal forward to a standing committee of this House so we understand what they need to be successful in this transition? Because they are saying they are on a knife's edge, and I don't want to -- I, for one, don't want to see them teeter over. I want to see them succeed. I want to see our students succeed. It just seems like we're not at the same place here, and can the Minister commit to getting us -- to running the ship, getting us to where we need to be. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
Oral Questions

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I'm in a very interesting position where it's not really my story to tell. It's the Aurora College's story to tell. It's the board of governors' story to tell. So just like last time when I -- it's not my story to tell. So my -- last time when I was in front of this House, I recommended to committee that they have Aurora College in front of them. They have done that. And I recommend that they ask Aurora College what their schedule is as far as their master plan for their facilities and also for their housing and what they are doing in order to achieve those goals. Thank you.

Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Final supplementary. Member from Range Lake.

Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, the Minister gives that -- the institution $32 million, and then some, every year, so this is very much her story to tell because she's the one funding it. So will the Minister commit to, if not exploring how we can improve this relationship, putting some accountability matrix on that grant, so if Aurora College isn't hitting these timelines, isn't making progress, then they lose their grant. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
Oral Questions

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that it's fair to say that given the investment of dollars from the GNWT into the Aurora College transformation, along with the investment of dollars from the federal government into the transformation, that there are many people that want to see this happen. There's also a number of people who are sitting on the board who have said they are passionate about seeing this happen. It's also worthwhile acknowledging that the positions through the Aurora College transformation also came from the surplus of Aurora College. Aurora College carries a surplus. And so, Mr. Speaker, there are dollars that are available, and I think, yes, that there needs to be a conversation about how those dollars are being used to see this transformation through. I absolutely agree with the Member that a significant amount of public dollars go to Aurora College and fund Aurora College, and those dollars are approved by this House, Mr. Speaker, so I look forward to seeing how that conversation evolves on the floor of this House. Thank you.

Question 192-20(1): New Aurora College Campus in Yellowknife
Oral Questions

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister for Education, Culture and Employment. Colleagues, time is up for oral questions. Oral questions. Written questions. Returns to written questions. Replies to the Commissioner's address. Petitions. Reports of committees on the review of bills. Reports on standing and special committees. Tabling of documents. Minister of ECC.

Tabled Document 96-20(1): Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 63-19(2): Report on Bill 78: Waste Reduction and Resource Recovery Act Tabled Document 97-20(1): Environmental Rights Act Annual Report 2023-2024
Tabling Of Documents

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Jay MacDonald

Jay MacDonald Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following two documents: Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 63-19(2) Report on Bill 78: Waste Reduction and Resource Recovery Act; and Environmental Rights Act Annual Report 2023-2024. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 96-20(1): Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 63-19(2): Report on Bill 78: Waste Reduction and Resource Recovery Act Tabled Document 97-20(1): Environmental Rights Act Annual Report 2023-2024
Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of ECC. Tabling of documents. Minister of Justice.

Tabled Document 98-20(1): Northwest Territories Law Foundation 41st Annual Report for the Period Ending June 30, 2023
Tabling Of Documents

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R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Northwest Territories Law Foundation 41st Annual Report for the Period Ending June 30, 2023. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 98-20(1): Northwest Territories Law Foundation 41st Annual Report for the Period Ending June 30, 2023
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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Justice. Tabling of documents. Minister responsible for NWT Power Corp.

Tabled Document 99-20(1): 2024-2025 Corporate Plan Northwest Territories Hydro Corporation and Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Tabling Of Documents

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: 2024-2025 Corporate Plan for the Northwest Territories Hydro Corporation and Northwest Territories Power Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 99-20(1): 2024-2025 Corporate Plan Northwest Territories Hydro Corporation and Northwest Territories Power Corporation
Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister responsible for NWT Power Corp. Tabling of documents. Notices of motion. Motions. Member from Range Lake.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
Motions

May 27th, 2024

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Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, whereas Tabled Document 94-20(1), 2024-2028 -- I have the wrong motion, Mr. Speaker, hold on. Yeah, okay.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Whereas Tabled Document -- no -- it's the same one. Okay, I'm just going to move to the operative clause, Mr. Speaker.

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the Member for Frame Lake, that Tabled Document 67-20(1), Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, be referred to Committee of the Whole for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Question.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Question has been called. All those in favour? Those opposed? Abstentions? Motion has been carried.

---Carried

Motions. Notice of motion for the first reading of bills. First reading of bills. Second reading of bills.

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters, Minister's Statement 4-20(1), Minister's Statement 5-20(1), Minister's Statement 17-20(1), Minister's Statement 24-20(1), Tabled Document 93-20(1), Tabled Document 67-20(1), with the Member from the Dehcho in the chair.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Good afternoon. Colleagues, I now call the Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee?

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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Denny Rodgers

Denny Rodgers Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, the committee wishes to consider Tabled Document 67-20(1), tabled on May 23rd, 2024, in Committee of the Whole.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Does the committee agree?

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Thank you, committee. We will proceed with the first item.

Committee, we will take a short recess and resume with the first item. Thank you.

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Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Thank you, committee. We have agreed to consider Tabled Document 67-20(1), Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027. I will now open the floor to general comments on Tabled Document 67-20(1).

Any Member may speak for up to ten minutes and may speak more than once. Any Members wish to speak? Ms. Morgan.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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Shauna Morgan

Shauna Morgan Yellowknife North

Thank you, Ms. Chair. I have to say I'm quite pleased overall with how the mandate for the 20th Assembly turned out. I can't say the same about the business plans, unfortunately, but I will say lots more about that tomorrow.

First, I feel that the development of the priorities was a collaborative process that all 19 of us could support and while the mandate itself wasn't exactly collectively authored by all of us -- and that as an aside is a wordsmithing exercise that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, done by a committee of 19 politicians. But there were numerous opportunities for both written and in-person feedback and discussion on the draft mandates.

One thing I appreciate, and I want to draw attention to because it was based on some suggestions by Regular Members, is an opening list of commitments about how the public service will do its work.

One of the most common messages I heard when I was campaigning last fall was the profound frustration with how the GNWT operates and the general workplace environment. In my opening speech last November, I said we will not accomplish any ambitious priority we set for ourselves in this Assembly until we get our House in order. So in the mandate, while it may be tempting to skip straight down to the bullet points under each priority area, I encourage folks to carefully review the opening where it states the public service is the GNWT's greatest resource and must be supported and respected with an environment that fosters a sense of purpose and well-being and empowers performance excellence and innovation. Our highly trained and dedicated public servants deserve to work in an environment that allows them to contribute to their fullest potential, that values and supports them in providing services with empathy and efficiency, and that encourages or rewards creativity and flexibility.

Now, Cabin Radio observed that some of the language used in the mandate would not be out of place in a wedding vow. That could spark some long and interesting discussions with the public and civil servants about the depth and steadfastness of anyone's love for the government. But there's no need for that debate today. I actually appreciate the tone of this mandate document. For me, it reads in an engaging, clear, and direct way, with language that humanizes what we're trying to do instead of the usual jargon and bureaucratese.

One of the commitments is to empower the public service by ensuring they're provided the flexibility to deliver programs and implement policies in ways that best serve residents. So that sounds simple, but if taken seriously it could be a profound shift in the way our government works. The government often retreats into the safety of focusing on processes, policies, frameworks, plans, strategies, and it measures its success by checking off the boxes when we've completed those things. The idea here would be to measure our success by whether we've actually helped people, made their lives better. So people would come first at the end of the day, not the letter of the policy.

In that same Cabin Radio article, the Premier related that commitment to putting people first to the need to increase the government's risk tolerance. So I agree that we should be talking more openly about risk tolerance in government. And that is unfortunately something that is missing from that list of commitments. I believe we need to enshrine a commitment to always consider, in every decision, not only the risks of new options but also the risks in maintaining the status quo. We're often biased towards accepting or just taking for granted the status quo, even when it is unjust, expensive, inefficient, while we exaggerate the risks inherent in any change. So we have to train ourselves to examine the risks and costs of the status quo first.

Another commitment that I would have liked to see more detail on is the last one around openness, transparency, and accountability by engaging with partners, the public, and the public service. So this is a major source of public frustration, and I believe we should be explaining how this government is going to do it differently. I believe we need to commit to share information as early and as freely as possible and to publicly admit when we make mistakes and communicate how we will learn from them and do better.

Now to the main priority areas, starting with housing, the emphasis in housing is on partnerships, including Indigenous, federal, and community governments, and by working to encourage private investment. I understand and appreciate that emphasis because the scale of housing needs in the NWT is vast, and the GNWT simply does not have the resources to be making billion-dollar ribbon cutting announcements about new housing. So we have to be strategic and try to leverage federal and private investment. That being said, we need to be open about -- or come to terms with the fact that public housing is going to continue to fall squarely on the GNWT's shoulders. Indigenous governments are accessing significant federal funding for housing, but my understanding is they do not want to or intend to take on public housing. But I haven't seen this government articulate anywhere our vision when it comes to public housing, what we're actually committed to accomplish in public housing over this Assembly. How are we planning to maintain our current public housing assets, repair and improve the quality of existing housing -- plenty of which is currently boarded up -- and what is our plan to try to prevent vandalism and damage going forward?

On economic foundations, one of the big reasons I pushed us to include the word "foundations" with this priority, of course, was to highlight the importance of JK to 12 education and basic literacy. And, currently, these are entirely missing from the mandate and business plans.

Now, I understand that the district education authorities rightfully maintain a lot of control over education, but this government has an important role in setting goals and expectations. The last Assembly set a goal of increasing graduation rates, which was not successful. And I believe that that goal misses the point. I think we need to set clear goals around literacy and allocate resources inside and outside the formal education system to give us a chance of meeting the goals.

Another important foundation of the economy is energy, and the mandate talks about investments in green power generation and transmission. I just want to point out that often people associate green energy and reducing emissions only with electricity, but we need to remember that transportation and heating, including those associated with heavy industry like mining, are our biggest sources of GHG emissions and also carry high costs. So we need to think more broadly and strategically about our energy transition than just electricity.

In terms of health care, I support the ideas in this section and the emphasis on primary care. But I do think there's not enough recognition of the need for a new approach to retention of health care workers.

Now, we always hear the phrase recruitment and retention spoken in the same breath, but we're actually doing quite well in recruitment yet we're losing staff faster than we can hire them. Retention requires a significantly different strategy than recruitment. So I think we need to start separating them in our thinking.

With regard to addressing the effects of trauma, one thing that's not explicitly mentioned is the need to address the root causes of family violence and gender-based violence and support survivors and their families in breaking the cycle. We do have a significant amount of federal funding to do this work, but I don't want that work to be done in the shadows.

The mandate emphasizes that Indigenous governments will need to take the lead on culturally appropriate trauma treatment, mental wellness, and addictions programming. Now, I understand the value in this; I'm just not sure how well Yellowknife can see itself in the way this priority is worded in the mandate. Yellowknife, obviously, is where almost half of our population resides, including many people from small communities who are struggling the most with addictions and mental wellness. The work of serving these folks often falls on non-profits in Yellowknife, but they are usually not eligible for the same sorts of federal funding opportunities as Indigenous governments. So it's not clear to me how they're supposed to take the lead on developing and delivering new programming when they can't even access basic sustainable funding to keep their doors open. Beyond capital or startup funding, the non-profits in Yellowknife need ongoing operational support, support from medical professionals, outreach services. Outreach nurses and social workers usually work for the GNWT. So we need to see these kinds of partnerships reflected in the mandate and the business plans.

This also relates to the mandate item around public safety, which emphasizes the need for working together with law enforcement. So often it falls on law enforcement to deal with noncriminal social issues, but I think the RCMP themselves would be the first to tell you they should not be doing that, and their resources should be reserved for criminal issues.

While there's still -- while there's renewed emphasis on on the land healing and wellness supports and aftercare support, there are still significant gaps in the spectrum of mental health and addictions.

Motion 25-20(1): Referral of Tabled Document 67-20(1): Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories 2023 to 2027, to Committee of the Whole, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Sheryl Yakeleya

Is there anybody else, any other Member that would like to speak? Seeing no more comments. Thank you, committee. Do you agree that -- Member for Frame Lake.