So to the first question that the Member asked, Mr. Speaker, about whether or not they're big C counsellors or little C counsellors, I'm not sure if that means are they mental health counsellors; no, they're not mental health counsellors if that's what meant. Sorry, I was talking to fast.

In regards to what type of counsellors they are, they are people who are -- they fill a role, and they provide pathways. They are professionals. They understand their department. They understand how to create connections. And one of the things that reducing the administrative barriers of this program does as well is allows client navigators more time to create more connections within communities so that they too are forming connections that they can then bring people to and connect them to.

In regards to how ECE is going to turn around and force people to take on these pathways, there are 19 of us in this room right now that weren't forced to have to take on a pathway but we did, and we were privileged enough to have the opportunity to step into that pathway. And so what this is doing is creating those opportunities to step into pathways. And I don't think that everybody needs to be forced, and I don't think that staff are going to sit by idly and not do anything. I think that there are tremendous amount of people who want opportunity in this territory, and we as a government are at an exciting point to be able to ease the path to those opportunities. Thank you.