Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It only makes me wonder do the -- are the navigators counsellors in the context of the big C counsellors, or are they just cheerleaders in the sense of just supporting advocates? And if with eliminated productive choices, how do we encourage them to create goals? And if they don't want to be involved in the navigator process and we don't require them to be productive choices -- to be involved in productive choices, does the department just sit and do nothing? Like, I'm just trying to understand how we get them involved. Thank you.