Thank you, Madam Chair. There is. It is a financial management board policy. I don't have it in my main estimates briefing binder, but I can certainly try and pull it up if the Member's interested to hear more. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake.

I am, but you don't necessarily have to pull it up now. It's something I can get from you. I'm just interested on the policy, whether or not how -- I understand if Wood Gundy is managing the fund, then obviously they would manage it based on our policy and whether that we're looking at if -- how it's tied to the indices, whether or not we look at ethical/unethical investments, so on and so forth, I assume that would be in the policy? And, yeah, if the Minister could commit, I would -- if it's a document I can see, I would absolutely love to see the investment policy.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Boot Lake. Just a reminder, when people are talking, can you just wait until your light turns on before proceeding. Thank you. Minister of Finance.

Madam Chair, let me also note there's the Heritage Fund Act and heritage fund regulations that go with this. So let me put some information together and see if that can provide the kind of clarity that the Member's looking for. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister of Finance. Member for Inuvik Boot Lake.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And, yes, I'd appreciate that, to be able to see that to have a look. Thank you. No further questions.

Any further questions? Member for Great Slave.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, under the technology service centre chargeback, it details each department's chargeback recoveries to the TSC, currently estimated at -- in 2024-2025 at just shy of $41 million. So I recognize, you know, part of this is how we pay our hardworking TSC folks, and I'm totally happy that we do, but for the remaining approximately $28 million, that's quite a jump from the last main estimates. And I was wondering if the Minister could speak to why it's gone up by just close to $6.3 million. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member for Great Slave. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, one of the significant areas -- or significant reasons for change is simply the fact of the growth in the public service. So as there are more public servants who require various items or technological items, that requires almost inevitably more work from the TSC on those items. So that is a significant reason for the growth.

Secondary to that, there has been some growth in terms of the licensing fees that are also spread across these dollars and, particularly, in regards to cyber security and the services that we rely on to maintain cyber security. That has become a little more expensive but probably money well spent in that particular regard. Well, it's all money well spent, Madam Chair. But particularly with cyber security, I do want to emphasize that there's -- you know, again, we need to look at the headlines, it's easy to see the importance of having that as a government. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Minister of Finance. Member for Great Slave.

Thank you, Madam Chair. And, yeah, I don't disagree with the Minister on the importance of cyber security whatsoever. However, I think, you know, if there is a way to find some economies and savings in this line item, I mean, it would mean more money for programs and services delivered to the public, not that not having technology for our public servants isn't important but just, you know, I'm hopeful that the department can take a look at that and square that away. Thank you, Madam Chair. More of a comment.

Thank you, Member for Great Slave. Minister of Finance.

Madam Chair, the reason I stuck my hand up quickly is that in going through the fiscal sustainability exercise and the feedback that was received from employees, I do want to highlight that this is an area that we also heard feedback from public servants themselves. Thank you.

Thank you, Minister of Finance. Any further questions? Thank you, Members.

Please turn now to the departmental summary found on page 153, with information items on page 154 to 155. Are there any questions? Seeing no further questions, committee, I will now call the departmental summary.

Finance, operations expenditure, total department, 2024-2025 Main Estimate -- sorry, I'm going to go back, sorry. Member for Yellowknife North.

I have a question on the overall active position summary. So when I was looking at records -- it was actually a CBC article -- about the growth in the public service since about 2018, I noticed in particular the Department of Finance, in 2018, had about 357 staff and then it grew to about 490 staff, and now it's sitting at -- well, for this coming year, 563 staff.

Can the Minister give some explanation of why the Department of Finance has grown from 357 staff in 2018 to 563 now? Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Madam Chair, I can. So one of the earliest amalgamations that is involved here is that of the human resources, which was previously out on its own and then joined in the Department of Finance, I think, right at around 2018. Information shared system services was the next, so that was -- which is now the office of the information -- chief information officer and now has grown further with -- by bringing TSC's folks from Infrastructure over to be all in one umbrella of information shared systems services, so information technology essentially, all under one umbrella but all under the umbrella of Finance. Procurement shared services then came in around 2020-2021, thereabouts. So, yes, there was those incremental numbers because since 2018, there has been these different bits and pieces now put into all the Department of Finance. Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Minister of Finance. Member for Yellowknife North.

Okay, Madam Chair, I will leave it there. But the search is just beginning. I would love to have a deeper dive into how the public service has grown so dramatically over the past five years but that will be an investigation for a future time. Thank you.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Any further questions? Seeing no further questions, committee, I will now call the departmental summary.

Finance, operations expenditure, total department, 2024-2025 Main Estimates, $358,407,000. Does the committee agree?

Member for Inuvik Boot Lake.