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Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I'm sure we're going to find a middle here. And, again, I credit the competencies of the department so I have every belief that they'll provide responsible, useable information, and I want them to know I -- the next question is that -- what does the person do to action their claim?

So back to I know a few circumstances -- I don't need to go through every scenario but, you know, people are owed a lot of money for a lot of months. They call, nothing happens, and all of a sudden, you know -- yeah, like, why do we need political intervention for what should be an internal problem? And, frankly, that's how I view it. So what systems are being in place to help action these things? So in other words, if, by way of example -- I'm just trying to frame a context. So if a travel claim hasn't -- is showing up in the financial system -- I'm not connected to it, maybe I am, I don't know. It's not something I use. But regular day-to-day employees know how to use this system. They know where things are. I'm not using the right language because I don't use it. But I do know they can look it up and say something's been approved, it's processed. So if someone hasn't seen something actioned within two weeks, then who do they call? I don't want them to call their MLA. And I don't mean I don't want to hear from my constituents. But, I mean, what really should be an administrative manner without it personally feeling like they're pissing people off or stressing the system or making people angry or whatever you want to say. And then who do they call after four weeks that it's still pending into the nothing noted. And then we get into 8, and then we get into 12.

So Mr. Chairman, I'm trying to find out a good remedy for this particular situation and a way that we can have productive employees. Because if they're having a lot of money outstanding, it's quite stressful. And by the time they get to an MLA, we sign the consent form, we send to the department -- this is not a regular occurrence for me but the problem is it's a process. It's a process. A process. And all of a sudden two more weeks are added to it. So what can the Minister do just to say help deal with the internal side of this challenge so it doesn't have to become a political one? Thank you.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And, Mr. Chair, there is, again, a very, very high volume of requests for medical travel support over the course of a year, and fortunately, most do not come to a political level. I do get a handful of BFs or inquiries from colleagues in this room through the course of the year. It's certainly -- but it is not -- it's not hundreds that I'm receiving. The vast thousands do go through a usual process and/or -- and even if there are problems -- and I'm not saying there's not problems that don't come to all of us, but that they are able to go through the usual processes. It's pretty operational, so I'm going to suggest this go to the deputy for kind of a step by step description that can hopefully help. Thank you.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'll go to the deputy minister.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Vince McKay

Vince McKay Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Well, it's pretty straightforward. So the person that contacts you to arrange for the travel is your point of contact. So that's the person you should contact first. You can also escalate that to the director of FESS, so that's financial employee shared services, and, you know -- and then I guess you could take it to your MLA, but -- I agree with the Member that that shouldn't be the -- that shouldn't be the case, well, ever, but it should be very rare. So we will take -- we are aware of those concerns, and we will ensure through internal communications, that GNWT employees know how they can contact the government to get an update on the status of their repayment. So we'll take that back and think of a way of communicating that a little better. Thank you.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I'm going to go -- I got one small, quick question from the Member from YK Centre.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate my colleagues as well for this extra second. What would it take to bring it down to a -- say, a two-week standard as opposed to a 30-day standard? Again, recognizing that some of this is a lot of money, is there a way to practically do that just because of how much money can be outstanding for some people given -- well, I don't have to go at length, Mr. Chairman. That's only my question is, what would it take for the department to do that? Thank you.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Chair, I -- I mean, I guess I'd have to start with the first question which was around getting the data of how far we are behind, if when we're behind, and what that sort of level of being behind is. I will put a plug in, Mr. Chair, that -- because, again, we want to make sure we're meeting our 30 days before we start to look at 14 days. If individuals, if staff know that they've gone for medical that they're going to have a particularly large incurrence, a particularly large impact from whether it's the nature -- length of travel, nature of treatment, whatever it might be, it is possible to do cash advances. And I've seen that certainly come through at times where, again, a person would go to their benefits officer and have a discussion around what the circumstances are and whether an advance is required or necessary and would certainly want to include or encourage people to consider that. Generally, it is paid upfront, but if -- again, if there's circumstances that are changing in their life or changing in the course of treatment, it is possible to get it in upfront and to have something advanced. Thank you.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Okay, thank you. I got three more speakers. What we'll do is we'll take a five-minute break to give the translators a short break and then resume in about five minutes. Thank you.

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Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Order. We'll continue on. Next on my list I have is the Member from Great Slave.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Kate Reid

Kate Reid Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. And pardon me, I have a little cough drop in my mouth.

I want to -- he's not here at the moment, but I want to thank the Member from Yellowknife Centre for raising all those questions just now. I would also like to talk about the GNWT medical travel assistance. I was hoping that finance could provide more details about the $7.4 million increase, especially noting that last year's was a reduction from the 2023-2024 of approximately the same amount. So I'm just wondering why it's going back up. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'll go to the Minister.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, let me send that first to the deputy minister, please.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'll go to the deputy minister.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Vince McKay

Vince McKay Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I might have to refer this to the director. Thank you.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'll go to the director.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Tram Do

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can you please repeat the question.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'll go to the Member from Great Slave.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Kate Reid

Kate Reid Great Slave

Certainly, not a problem. So in this year -- I'm looking at main estimate, page 178 -- the total estimate for medical travel assistance is $20,232,000. In the main estimates of 2024-2025, it was at $13,088,000. And then in the fiscal year prior to that, we have an amount of $20,295,000. So it's kind of like a bouncing ball. It was high, it went back to -- it went down, and now it's back up again, and I was just wondering what the rationale for all of that was. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the director.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Tram Do

Thank you, Mr. Chair. We did a kind of an estimate cost year to date, and it's right now at approximately $17 million and we're not completing the year. The costs are mainly due to increased travel costs due to flight routes, overall increases in accommodations, and per diems due to changing in flight routes, and just increasing cost overall. And also we have an increase in the number of staff in the public service, so that also drives up the increase in the medical travel costs. So at three-quarters of the year, we're around $17 million, so probably projected to the end of the year probably hitting around the $20 million or more, similar to the medical travel of 2023-2024 number. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'll go to the Member from Great Slave.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

Kate Reid

Kate Reid Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So just to clarify, the numbers that I have before me in 2024-2025 for main and revised estimates are no longer accurate? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

February 11th

The Chair

The Chair Richard Edjericon

Thank you. I'm going to go to the Minister.