Transcript of meeting #3 for Territorial Leadership Committee in the 13th Assembly.

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On the agenda

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question has been somewhat touched on by...

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Just hang on, Mr. Dent. I am sorry. Mr. Antoine, you have to respond.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the question of Mr. Morin was, am I going to hold the line on the budget position that we have taken over the last three years? It was a difficult job of balancing the books, and yes, all the replies and the answers that I have given in this House are from the understanding that we will hold the line. I thought that was the understanding, but if it is not, then I want to say categorically that all the answers I answered in the House here pertaining to the different questions from different honourable Members in regard to the areas of where we should be concentrating our resources, are based on the fact that we have a balanced budget and I would like to maintain that.

However, I have also gone on to say that, in some areas, I will have to get familiarized with the certain situations and I will have to look further into these, but if the findings are there, then we should do the different types of work that has to get done, to get it done. I have also said that we may have to look at the existing budget. If a certain program and service needs some additional funds into the base, then we have to look within the system to try and get it from some place else. Within the line of these answers, I was assuming that people are aware that I am in the position of keeping a balanced budget. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent. I am sorry, again.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is related to questions that were asked earlier by Mr. Ng and touched on by Mr. Roland. They are actually related to the balanced budget issue as well. Given the fact that we have a very tight budget in the last few years and the cuts that we have had to make, there has been considerable pressure on the social envelope. Those departments, Health and Social Services, ECE, Justice, Housing Corporation, have been struggling to keep up with the demand for services. I know I have heard both Members and the public talk about the need to get the monies to these departments, but right now there are some who say that the social envelope takes such a large portion of our budget, that it cannot continue to grow. As others have noted, we have heard in this House, from people across the Northwest Territories, that they see this area as critical right now.

I am going to make it easy for the Members because they have both touched on this, but I want it to be very clear and on the record what their position is. In the absence of new funds being made available, I want to hear from both candidates, will you commit to working with your Finance Minister to facilitate a serious discussion about government fiscal priorities that may lead to a reallocation of funding among the departments? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I will start with Mr. Antoine. Okay, Mr. Kakfwi first.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mahsi. Yes, it would be an area of priority for myself, as the elected Premier, to work with the Finance Minister to give direction, hopefully with the support of Cabinet, to find the means possible to reallocate existing dollars, perhaps from other departments to the social envelope, so that some of the critical areas where we have cut back in previous years could be addressed, even in part, by those Ministers that have had to hold the line in the face of some rather very, very difficult situations such as the Minister of Health and Social Services, the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To that question, yes, I will commit myself to working with the Finance Minister to look at the total budget, to see where we are at and what we have, and where we are going. Certainly and with the concerns that are raised here, today, we are going to have to re-look at the direction that we are going. At the same time, we are trying to maintain a balanced budget, going into division. That is the key factor there, it certainly means that we will have to look at the existing budget of each department and then if working along with the Cabinet and along with the Finance Minister if there is areas on how we could add to the base of the social envelope, then we certainly would have to look at that very seriously. It is going to be hard work and it is going to be a struggle. If that is the direction we have to go, then we will have to do it. It is going to be a tough decision. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Your second question, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to say that I, too, think we have two good candidates here and look forward to working with the new premier and continue the good working relationship with both of them. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

There is no one else that is in the Chamber who has not asked questions. Mr. Rabesca.

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the candidates a question regarding the balanced budget that we are expecting and then the deficit has dropped approximately since we have been working at it the last three years. I would imagine it would be easier to manage the whole administration as funding might be available in the future. I would like to ask the two candidates whether they foresee any more funding made available to every department within the whole administration, such as Municipal and Community Affairs and Transportation and, if so, if they foresee any unfinished projects, such as my community airport to be completed? Would there be any money available since we will be out of deficit as we are approaching the balanced budget? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in regard to the balanced budget, there is no deficit. In fact, there might be a slight surplus there that was indicated earlier on. It is projected to be there. At this point of time, like I said, I would like to maintain the balanced budget line and not get into any deficit. Whatever funding that we are going to have has to come from within the system.

Some of the areas such as the social envelope issues cannot be dealt with like a one-shot deal. You cannot take a few dollars from say, the surplus and put in for it in the one year. You have to deal with it on the longer term. You have to find existing dollars some place within the system and put it into the base so that the budget grows on a yearly basis. If you have a surplus, it does not mean that a certain department is going to get additional dollars on an ongoing basis. That is not the answer for the bigger issues that we have here. The departments need additional dollars on an ongoing basis, but in the specific cases like, for example, the airport that you mentioned in Rae-Edzo. It is a one-shot deal. There is something in place now to try to identify extra resources for that as a one-shot deal. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. One of the areas that is going to be critical for us as a government is to maintain our population. Any decrease in population will result in a dramatic decrease in our funding. Loss of as little as 500 people in our population base would result in a reduction in actually millions of dollars in the money that we get from Ottawa. We have to take whatever measure we can to ensure that there is not a population decrease here in the Northwest Territories.

We have said that the tax window, if we can increase it from 20 or 30 percent to 50 percent, will result in an increase in dollars available to this government on an ongoing basis. We need to keep working on that. As a government, we are committed to try to do that in a concerted effort over the next few months. With the focus on devolution again, if the Premier would make a very strong effort to come to agreement with the federal government and the aboriginal groups up here on the basis to proceed on devolution. In any case, we will continue to also work with the federal government to transfer federal positions to the Northwest Territories that will in turn add to our economic base, our population base.

We need to continue working to promote oil and gas activities as I have said earlier and support mining activity, exploration. For every job we create it means there is less people depending on the social envelope that frees up dollars that are scarce right now within that envelope. Any one-time deals, I think, are easier to deal with though, in fact, then an ongoing increase based to the departments. Projects like the airport have been received favourably by our Ministers and the Dogrib people have been advised apparently that our Ministers, at least, individually, a number of them are definitely on side and will be positioning themselves to support that one-time capital requirement. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Rabesca.

Top Priority As Prospective Premier to March 31, 1999

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James Rabesca North Slave

My second question, both candidates have expressed a really good concern about all the activities that they foresee as being during their Premiership within our term in this office. What is their top priority on the whole events that we might see in the next coming months before our term is up? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. I think the immediate priority is to restore confidence of Members in the Cabinet, how we conduct our business, restore confidence of the public and this Legislature and to show that we are ready to continue doing business. The way we do business will be transparent. It will be done in a way that meets the expectations and the standards that everyone expects of their government and that the way we do business, the way we spend money will be done in accordance with a standard that is expected by everybody. That is what we have to do so we can get on with the business of speaking on behalf of people, when we address people, when we talk about devolution, when we talk about looking at tax windows, when we talk to oil companies and mining companies on behalf of our people. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman. I am of a similar view as well. In my Member's statement in the House a couple of times, and even in my opening address and in the debate that happened the last couple of days on last Friday and Monday, was that there is a lot of activity going on in our communities. We went through a very painful process here that we just concluded and that the public perception is that it is pretty negative towards us here as a government.

People in the communities are saying that life has to go on and that we have to carry on with what we are here to do until it is finished. I am committed to do that, to carry on the work here. I guess putting my name forward is that I am saying that I am here, I am ready to work, let us get on with it. There are a lot of concerns out there that we still have to deal with. There is quite a bit of negative fallout on the part of the government here and people are questioning if we have the ability here collectively to run their affairs in the north. I think that I have faith in the people in the north. I think we are very smart and intelligent people. A lot of us have survived bigger hardships than that in our communities and that life has to go on.

What I am saying is, we have to show to people, the public and people outside the Northwest Territories and Canada that we are capable of managing our own affairs. We can do the job and we can do it in a very transparent and good way. That I hope will develop trust in us as a government by the people in the remaining months that we have here. It will show the public that we are sincere in what we are doing, that we have a job to do and we would like to finish it. That is the top priority that I see right now. Thank you.

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

Is there anybody else for questions? I will just read to you, in accordance with the procedures, I would like to advise that I have received notice that the honourable Member for Baffin Central has authorized the honourable Member for Baffin South as proxy. We have two booths here. The Members are now asked to proceed to those booths and cast their votes and then put it in the box right there. Again, just to remind the Members that are out there listening, that it is only after all the votes have been cast that we would proceed with the counting of the ballots. Any of the Members that are out of the chamber, I would request them to come back to vote.

Secret Ballot Election

--Voting by Members

I declare the voting process closed. The ballot box will now be taken to the Clerk's office where the ballots will be counted. The bell will ring for five minutes to bring the Members back once the results are determined.

--Break

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The Chair Samuel Gargan

I will call the committee back to order. I wish to advise that you have elected the Member for Nahendeh, the Honourable Jim Antoine, as your Premier- elect.

--Applause

This will also be confirmed by motion in the Legislative Assembly tomorrow. I would like to offer Mr. Antoine and Mr. Kakfwi the opportunity to say a few words. Mr. Antoine.