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Bill 34-12(2): Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1992-93
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to go back to item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters to deal with Bill 34.

Bill 34-12(2): Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1992-93
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The Honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to go back to item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters to deal with Bill 3, are there any nays? There are no nays. Second reading of bills. Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. Bill 34, Supplementary Appropriation Act number 2, 1992-93, with Mr. Nerysoo in the Chair.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. If I could call the committee to order. I would just like to indicate to committee Members that the supplementary appropriation is in your documentation, your files, or your binders. It is behind Bill 34.

What is the wish of the committee? Madam Minister?

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I have a brief opening statement to Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1992-93.

Mr. Chairman, Supplementary Appropriation, No. 2, requests authority for a net additional appropriation of $6.5 million. In addition, I will be making a motion at the appropriate time to amend the schedule to the bill, to increase the amount requested by $250,000, to provide initial funding for the public inquiry into the services provided by the Fort Smith Health Centre.

The full cost of this inquiry will be determined later, and will be included in subsequent of supplementary appropriation requests. This supplementary appropriation consists of additional appropriations and capital in the amount of $6.843 million, mainly comprised of a special warrant for $5.359 million which was necessary to fully fund the cost of 100 H.A.P. units for 1992-93, to which government was committed before C.M.H.C. announced funding reductions.

Net reductions and operations and maintenance appropriation in the amount of $343,000. The O and M appropriations include transfers between departments resulting from departmental consolidation. Those are the opening remarks on Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Standing Committee on Finance. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Finance reviewed Bill 34, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1992-93, during its meeting on October 1, 1992.

Mr. Chairman, the committee had no major concerns about this supplementary appropriation. A large portion of the bill was for transfers relating to the reshaping government project currently under way. As the Minister noted in the opening remarks the bulk of the request for new funding was to maintain current commitments for homeownership assistance units. This funding was needed as a result of reductions in funding from C.H.M.C..

Mr. Chairman, due to the short time between our receipt of this bill and prorogation, the committee was unable to meet with the Minister, and his staff, to undergo a line by line review of this bill. As a result, Members of the committee will have questions on the specifics of the bill during committee of the whole today.

Mr. Chairman, the committee voted on October 1, 1992 to refer this bill, to committee of the whole for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. What is the wish of the committee? General comments? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, one of the concerns that we had, was when we noted the dates on some of the special warrants in this bill, and we noticed that there were a number of special warrants in the bill, that were issued 14 days before the opening of session.

There is a bit of concern by the committee that close to session, they could have waited until the session was under way, and we could have had a detailed review by the Standing Committee on Finance. I was wondering if we could get an answer, as to why they did not wait for session to open?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, may I at this time bring in a witness to help me answer some of those specific questions?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Yes. Is it agreed, then? Witnesses then, Sergeant-at-Arms, could you escort the witnesses in, please?

Thank you. Government Leader, would you introduce the witness please?

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, Lew Voytilla, Secretary to the Financial Management Board. Do you want to proceed to have Mr. Voytilla explain the question that was asked by the honourable Member, Mr. Dent?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The primary reason for the urgency for some of these warrants, particularly, in the area of capital, was due to the summer construction season, the requirement to meet shipping deadlines, and to meet contractual obligations. So, in most cases that was the reason for the urgency. In particular, the one for the Housing Corporation, and the H.A.P. units.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have been told, previously, by the Department of Finance, that there would be an attempt to avoid, whenever possible using special warrants, and we recognize that there are sometimes reason for having to proceed with them.

We also had been advised that in the case of large special warrants the Standing Committee of Finance would be advised of the fact that they were going to be issued.

I would like to point out that the Standing Committee on Finance was meeting in the later part of August, and was not informed of any of these special warrants. I was wondering if we could find out what happened there? What mechanisms have been established to inform S.C.O.F., prior to the issuance of large special warrants?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Government Leader.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I cannot give the details, but I am aware that in May, when there was a meeting in Coppermine that the Standing Committee on Finance was alerted, particularly to the Homeownership Assistance Program, and the problems that we might be coming into. As well as the need to do some adjustments to overcome the difficulties that we saw. I know Mr. Voytilla was at the meeting at the time, so he can explain the involvement, or the consultation or the information that was given to the Standing Committee on Finance. Thank you.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Voytilla.

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Voytilla

Yes, Mr. Chairman, in May the Standing Committee on Finance was meeting in Coppermine and the Minister of Finance had the opportunity to brief the committee on the fiscal situation and on the surplus that the Housing Corporation had for the 1990-91 fiscal year.

At the same time, the Minister of Housing was able to identify to them the problem with the C.M.H.C. funding reductions and the potential need for using some of the surplus from 1990-91 to replace some of that federal funding, if, in fact, the federal cuts went ahead.

Although there was not a specific notification at the time of the warrant approval, there had been an alert provided earlier. Generally, the Member is quite right, it is the agreement between the standing committee and the Minister of Finance, that any special warrant over half a million dollars of formal notification will be provided.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Voytilla is right, we were warned in a general way that there may be a need for extra funding to come up with. It is our concern that this took place at a time when the Standing Committee on Finance was close at hand, we could have been advised of the actual figures at that time. It is one thing to say three months in advance well we may have to do this, but we understood the undertaking to be a little more precise. Especially since we were in town at the time this was going on, we would hope that in future, the process would be a little more precise and allow for the Standing Committee on Finance to get the information in a more timely fashion.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Madam Government Leader.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I know the intent of the Minister of Finance, and certainly we made that undertaking and certainly we are committed to the arrangement that has been made. We intend to be more precise, hopefully this type of situation does not continue to happen to us, but we are committed to that original arrangement.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. General comments? It is agreed with the committee that we get into detail? Agreed?