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John Todd Keewatin Central

I wonder if we can move to Justice, Mr. Chairman?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The suggestion is that we deal with the Department of Justice. That would mean that we would conclude general comments. What is the wish of the committee? That we deal with the Department of Justice? Are we agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

I just want to draw to the attention of Members that we dealing with the 1993-94 Capital Estimates under 06-7, program summary for the Department of Justice. We were on page seven with regard to recommendations from the Standing Committee on Finance Report on the Review of the 1993-94 Capital Estimates. Are there any opening comments, Mr. Minister?

Department of Justice, Introductory Remarks

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. I am pleased to present the Capital Budget of the Department of Justice. The following points are ones that I believe will be of particular interest to Members in reviewing the department's Capital Budget.

The corrections services division operates seven facilities offering services to adult and young offenders across the whole of the territories. To replace the facilities as they now exist, would require approximately $75 million, as a point of interest. The capital expenditures which are proposed and introduced today are required in order to maintain correctional facilities at the current inmate or young offender capacity. No requests for expansion are being considered. The department has completed a master development plan that considers the adequacy of the present facilities and which projects the needs of Northwest Territories into the future. Evaluation of this study is beginning, but none of these recommendations are the subject of these proposals for the fiscal year 1993-94. Today I am requesting consideration of renovations or additions to our present existing facilities in order to make them safer. I anticipate that expenditures will allow for better programming to occur for more inmates with less risk to public. The outer wall of the Yellowknife Correctional Centre gymnasium must be replaced for the sake of health and safety. The bricks are cracking and the wall has become and will become unsafe if it is not repaired. The Yellowknife Correctional Centre's fence does not cover the entire property. It is also in need of extensive repairs. Concerns have been expressed about public security. The internal security of the centre is also compromised when members of the public can approach the facility and leave illegal or dangerous items on the property. To meet the maximum security rating of the centre and other security needs, institutional types of security fencing must be constructed around the entire property. In light of these remarks, I invited Members of the committee to examine in detail the 1992-93 budget of the Department of Justice and would be pleased to try and answer any questions.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Standing Committee on Finance, Mr. Dent.

Standing Committee On Finance Comments

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. During the review of the 1992-93 Main Estimates, the committee recommended that the department initiate land skill survival programs at all corrections centres. As a result, we expected to see some requirement for related capital equipment, but did not. The committee will expect the Department of Justice to include funding in the 1994-95 Capital Estimates for culturally relevant corrections programs such as wilderness camps and land skills survival programs as recommended earlier this year.

Mr. Chairman, the committee is aware that the federal government is interested in constructing a $30 million federal penitentiary in the Northwest Territories to accommodate 65 to 100 federal inmates from the territories. Directly and indirectly, this could create over 100 jobs in the N.W.T. Options which were presented include federal or territorial operation and control. Members recognized both merits and potential pitfalls for a program such as this based on experience with other program transfers. However, the committee feels the opportunity should be pursued.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Justice provide a discussion paper to the Legislative Assembly, with the 1993-94 Main Estimates, on a proposed federal penitentiary in the Northwest Territories.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, that completes the official response of the Standing Committee on Finance on the Department of Justice's Capital Estimates for 1993-94. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Are there any other general comments with regard to the Department of Justice? Capital, Mr. Gargan.

General Comments

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Minister of the Department of Justice with regard to the definitive objective, in paragraph 3 of page 6-4 to construct institutional type security fencing around the Yellowknife Correctional Centre including the portion which is presently not fenced. I am not clear on that. Are we looking at the 12 foot type fences with razor wires on top, etc.? Is this the type of institutional type security fencing you are talking about?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the type of fencing which runs along the road surrounding the correctional institute is a metal chain-link fence with barbed wire on top, this is what we require to complete the fencing around the facility.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, I occasionally go by there and I do not see any problems with the condition of the fence. Perhaps the Minister would be able to enlighten me with regard to the justification. Is it to prevent people from escaping? Does the existing fence not prevent people from escaping? Has there been an increase in escapes that requires a better security? I have not heard anything during the last year. I realize four years ago there was a riot but that is about the extent of it with regard to what has been happening with the security here in the centre. The fence has been there for about 20 years now and it needs replacement, is that what we are saying or do we have a reason for replacing the existing fence?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the Member should know that the far side of the facility has never been fenced. There is a requirement to secure the public from inmates wandering off when they are not supposed to but also to keep unwanted and unauthorized visitors from coming onto the property. I think this is one of the bigger considerations. I do not know if it has ever been substantiated but I know there is a fear that people are coming in and dropping off things like drugs and other substances for inmates on the property. We need to secure the facility to make sure these type of things do not happen. Those are some of the considerations for wanting to fence the remainder of the facility.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Have you looked at other options, like T.V. monitoring, watch-tower. If we are going to go all the way, let us go all the way.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, you can tell by our modest request we just want to build the remainder of the fence and fix up a wall, and update some T.V. monitoring equipment which is quite old.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. General comments. Before I recognize anyone, I would like to remind the Members that according to Rule 79, titled "speaking", no Members should speak for more than 10 minutes at any one time. When Members have finished speaking, the Chair should recognize the person who has not spoken to the item on the table. General comments? Mr. Nerysoo.