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Committee Motion 6-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 6
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will not raise much concern about the matter of the proposed capital as opposed to the idea of future capital and the potential of the 1993 estimates to reflect that. I would like to raise a couple of concerns and I hope the idea of a decision paper which has been requested, and I support that, is more of a discussion paper about the pros and cons and whether or not we should agree to a federal penitentiary. I think it would be a premature for us to make some decision during 1993-94, without looking at all the issues. I think you have to consider the purpose of the facility. You have to look at the programs and services which are to be offered in such a facility. You have to deal with the question of who is responsible, and the financial obligations that this government has a tendency of taking on, on the part of the federal government that is above and beyond the normal cause.

Most recent federal transfers have shown that we have been pretty poor negotiators in taking over responsibility. I want to make those points because I do not want us to get all gung ho about the idea of building a new federal penitentiary in the Northwest Territories without looking at all the issues and the concerns that are necessary for us to put in place a federal penitentiary because the correctional centres that we now run are very different than federal penitentiaries and the people you are dealing with are much, much different. So I do not think that you should go quickly into this responsibility without knowing the consequences of the decision you are making. Just that one particular point I wanted to make. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo. Any general comments?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

General Comments, Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What I am going to say is related to the issue that is before us in regard to the community that is strictly dry. As I mentioned, I travelled, before coming to this session, to Gjoa Haven which is a dry community and I come from a dry community as well and that is the Hamlet of Pelly Bay, where the use of alcoholic beverage is strictly prohibited.

Mr. Chairman, people of Pelly Bay and Gjoa Haven are saying it is so easy to bring liquor to a dry community. People are chronically, if you will, frustrated about having to deal with this in their community and where everybody is related to everybody, and nobody seems to want to report the incident to the R.C.M.P. within their community, within their area.

I have worked with the Hamlet of Pelly Bay for a good 17 years dealing with the problem where there were no R.C.M.P. and people were reluctant to report to the nearest R.C.M.P. station which was Spence Bay. Now the people of Pelly Bay and Gjoa Haven that I have met with, mainly the hamlet councils and the public, are saying, can this government, through the justice system, do something about dry communities where very few people are not complying with the restriction? People are frustrated and people who do use liquor in the community and bring the liquor to the community are like individuals who are living in paradise without having to worry about the crimes they are committing in the community.

A number of times, I had the opportunity of travelling with the Hamlet of Pelly Bay Mayor when I was a C.O. A number of times we talked to the justice people, to lawyers and a number of times the response we got from the system was always the same. It is, unless we have reasonable grounds, unless the R.C.M.P. has reasonable grounds to believe that a person was bringing liquor to a dry community, there is not much we can do about it. We were also told by the people that we met with here in Yellowknife, about two years ago, is that one alternative that we can look into is talking to the airline and that has never really materialized.

About three weeks ago, I had the opportunity of meeting with the people of Gjoa Haven, the hamlet council, what the Hamlet Council of Gjoa Haven is saying is that, when the Commissioner stamped the paper which directs the community to be dry, after the plebiscite where the public has a vote and 60 per cent of the community wanted to go dry, subsequently the Commissioner will stamp the paper which, in turn, becomes the law. Now it is against the law to drink in your community and, what the people of Gjoa Haven are saying is that nobody abides by this restriction. What can you do as an M.L.A.? What can the government of the N.W.T. do about it? What can the Justice Minister and his department do about it. People are really frustrated. Mr. Chairman, I wish this government, together with the Members of the Assembly would find a solution to deal with the problem once and for all where a dry community can legally be called a dry community, not technically a dry community. That is just a point I wanted to raise.

Committee Motion 6-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 6
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. That is a point that has been raised but I will just remind the Member that we are dealing with capital and that was more of a policy matter than a capital issue. So, just to bring people's attention to the fact that we are dealing with Justice and the detail of capital. Is it the wish of the committee that we deal now with the detail of capital? Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Details of capital, found on page 06-10. Correctional services. Detail of capital, correctional services, buildings and works, total region $865,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Correctional Services

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Sorry I must read this one here. Buildings and works. Correctional services, buildings and works, headquarters, total region $865,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

--Agreed

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Total buildings and works $865,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Equipment acquisition, headquarters, total region $10,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Total activity $875,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Program Summary 06-7, Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Chairman, if we could just go back to 06-11, capital recoveries. Are we looking at $80,000. being received back from...

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Is it the wish of the committee then, are we agreed to return to capital recoveries. Are we agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Gargan, you had a question with regard to capital recoveries, to the Minister?

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Yes, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to know what it meant by capital recoveries here of $80,000. Capital Estimates 1992-93, capital recoveries is $112,000. What is that?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Just for clarification, however, Mr. Gargan, we are dealing with the 1993-94 Capital Estimates. Mr. Minister. The capital recoveries is $80,000.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, could I get the deputy minister to appear with me at the witness table?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Are we agreed to bring in witnesses?