Thank you, Mr. Zoe. We need a written motion and we need it translated into the appropriate languages. The Chair will take five minutes and the committee will take five minutes in order for the motion to be typed onto paper and translated. Agreed?

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Prior to coming here, there was a motion on the floor, which was not written or translated into the appropriate languages. I will read the motion for the committee.

I move that this committee recommend that the item elders' residence in Fort Resolution, under the activity community and family support services in the amount of $100,000 be deferred until the five year capital plan is developed. To the motion. The motion is in order.

Question.

Question is being called, Mr. Nerysoo. Mr. Zoe.

To the motion, please. Mr. Nerysoo.

Mr. Chairman, I have no problem with the argument that a five year capital plan for an elders' residence in the Northwest Territories is required, but I am not going to support the idea that the capital plan be conditional on deferring other residences for other senior citizens in the Northwest Territories. I think that there has been a great out cry in the communities to address the need for services for our elderly, and as a co-chair for the Special Committee on Health and Social Services, I find it very difficult to support the idea of reducing services for elders, no matter where they are. I will even support the idea of an elders' residence in Fort Rae or Rae-Edzo, wherever it might be, if that is the recommendation. But I believe that the request is being made for a five year capital plan to address the needs of senior citizens and elders in the Northwest Territories. In my view it would be a lot more positive if the honourable Member could suggest that this committee recommend that a five year capital plan for elders' residences be developed and tabled in this House. In that context we can ask Members to address the needs of the seniors in our constituencies, including the manner of addressing the services we are going to provide to the elders. At this time I am going to have to oppose the suggestion of deferring the expenditures for other seniors' residences. We all know there are needs in our communities and constituencies. I think it would be wrong of us to penalize elders in one community instead of trying to find ways of improving the

financial resources and addressing the needs in other communities. That is my concern right now.

Thank you. To the motion. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was not going to speak on this issue, however, it is my understanding that this amount is to be deferred and not deleted. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the department, is there a five year capital plan currently in place?

Thank you. Madam Premier.

Mr. Chairman, yes there is.

Thank you. To the motion. Mr. Zoe.

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. The 1993-94 Capital Estimates, Social Services, Fort Smith, total region $158,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

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Thank you. Kitikmeot, total region $150,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

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Thank you. Total contributions $404,000. Agreed?

Agreed.

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Total activity $2.309 million. Agreed?

Agreed.

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Thank you. Back to page 13-07 of the 1993-94 Capital Estimates. Program summary, total capital expenditures $3.468 million. Mr. Nerysoo.

Mr. Chairman, I wanted to raise the point about elders' residences and handicapped residences. Could I ask the Minister if she could provide this House with a summary of the programs and the relationship between financial programs for elders? In particular, I am interested in the residences. In other words, what does Health pay for? What does Social Services pay for? What are the programs available in the Housing Corporation to meet the needs of elders in the Northwest Territories?