Good afternoon. Now this House will come to order. Item 2, budget address. Minister of Finance.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker before presenting the first O & M budget of the 12th Assembly, I want to thank my Cabinet colleagues and Members of the Legislature, and in particular the Standing Committee on Finance for their advice and recommendations.

Mr. Speaker, many of the items dealt with in the budget either originate from, or were improved by the input we received during the past few months.

As you know this has not been a normal budget year. Our 1992-93 main estimates are being tabled much later than usual. The extra time was needed in order to include fundamental changes in the budget. Changes that could not be made without careful consideration, consultation and extensive analysis.

We had to be sure of returning to a balanced budget within two years without seriously compromising existing social obligations. We did not want to unduly restrict future initiatives that may be needed to help the territories adjust to rapidly changing social, political and economic circumstances.

Mr. Speaker, shortly after we were elected last November it became very clear that our expenditure growth was much higher than our expected revenue growth, largely because of the reductions in the growth of our formula financing grant. Faced with a projected deficit of over $50 million, we had to find ways to put our books in order and return to a balanced budget by 1993-94.

Mr. Speaker, we have done that. The budget that I am presenting today totals $1.14 billion, it meets the government's deficit target of $25 million for 1992-93 and the framework for a balanced budget for 1993-94.

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Mr. Speaker, over the last nine months this Assembly has come to grips with a difficult fiscal situation. With continued cooperation and resourcefulness we stand an excellent chance of regaining a good degree of financial stability.

The early focus of this government has been on reducing the costs of doing business, while maintaining essential programs and services to those most in need, particularly in the smaller, more vulnerable communities that we represent.

Collective agreements with both major unions have played a large role in helping us to meet our objectives. Negotiated collective agreements allowing for no salary increases in 1992-93 and for a 1.8 percent increase in 1993-94 are presently in the ratification process. They demonstrate the responsible and cooperative approach of the unions and government employees in the face of our difficult fiscal position.

Mr. Speaker, to achieve our budget target in 1992-93, 160 positions were eliminated, 137 of which were vacant as a result of hiring freezes. The reduction is expected to save an estimated $8 million.

In addition to reductions in positions, other measures have been necessary. We have carefully examined government expenditures to determine where we can save money without unduly affecting services to the public. Some examples of measures we have taken include, the introduction of a published fee schedule listing what government will pay to moving companies for relocating government staff. This step is similar to procedures in other jurisdictions and is expected to save us more than $1 million annually.

Reorganizing and down-sizing the Department of Public Works to achieve greater efficiency and a savings of $1.4 million annually. We have also significantly reduced the number of phone lines in use and implemented a requirement to use less expensive telephone equipment for an expected savings of $400,000 per year, and reduced expenditures in buildings and works maintenance without affecting the health and safety of clients, the public and employees for an estimated savings of $1.8 million.

Overall, Mr. Speaker, government spending has been reduced by close to $30 million. However difficult these expenditure reductions have been, they have allowed us to continue to support service levels in other vital areas.

Mr. Speaker, we are determined to continue our examination of government and programs for cost saving measures and all Members are encouraged to continue identifying areas that might lead to future reductions in government spending.

An example is the motion by Mr. Ludy Pudluk, a person whom I am sure you know very well, Mr. Speaker, to regulate expeditions in the Northwest Territories. Legislation and regulations are now being examined to see what can be done to reduce search and rescue costs paid by the Northwest Territories for expedition members who are lost or find themselves in trouble. As you know, it is presently impossible to recover those costs.

Despite efforts to reduce government expenditures, Mr. Speaker, some funding increases are absolutely necessary. Budget increases in the following areas demonstrate the government's commitment to supporting key social, educational and community programs.

In the area of social services, Mr. Speaker, as a result of a recent food price survey across the Northwest Territories, social assistance rates for food allowances will be increased by five percent at a cost of $1 million.

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Funding increases are also included to raise the rates paid to foster parents by 20 percent. Foster care rates, Mr. Speaker, have not changed since 1987, yet costs associated with caring for children have been increasing steadily. A funding increase of more than $1.2 million will provide more support to foster parents for a very demanding task as well as other increases necessary for the well-being of children in care.

The budget also includes a base adjustment of $200,000 to fund an inflationary increase in the senior citizens' supplementary benefit from $107.50 per month to $125.00 per month. Mr. Speaker, I should explain there is a typographical error here, that in fact was handled by supplementary appropriation last year, September 1, retroactive to the first of April 1991. The line that is really important and that is missing is this, after $125.00 per month last year, there will be a further base adjustment to increase the rate from $125.00 to $135.00 effective April 1, 1992, and that will be retroactive, Mr. Speaker. I do apologize to the House for that typo.

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Mr. Speaker, an additional $1 million has been allocated to help fund the operations of new senior facilities across the Northwest Territories, in Fort Smith, Fort Franklin, Arviat, Iqaluit and on the Hay River Reserve.

More than $200,000 will be used to operate three new safe houses for battered women in Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet and Inuvik, and over $700,000 has been budgeted for the operation of the new Hay River Reserve Alcohol and Drug Treatment Centre.

Mr. Speaker, in the area of health, it is no secret that the demand for health services throughout Canada and the Northwest Territories continues to grow at a phenomenal rate and health care costs are increasing at a similar pace.

Our costs, Mr. Speaker, are being driven by a number of factors. They include increased rates at provincial hospitals and increases in the volume of services provided to N.W.T. residents in those institutions; increases for the cost of airfare for patients travelling from their home community to the nearest treatment centre; physician fee increases and an increase in the number of physicians practising in the Northwest Territories; and increases in the cost of operation of regional health and hospital facilities mainly due to negotiated collective agreement adjustments.

As a result, Mr. Speaker, this budget includes an increase of about $25.3 million for the Department of Health, which is offset by departmental reductions of $1.4 million over last year's Main Estimates. About $18.9 million of this growth was reflected in Supplementary Estimates in 1991-92.

Mr. Speaker, in an attempt to address escalating health costs, the Department has undertaken a number of initiatives such as enhancing existing and implementing additional specialist programs and services at Stanton Yellowknife Hospital in an attempt to reduce the cost of health services being provided to territorial residents in the provinces; establishing a medicare monitoring and review capability; and implementing strategies for the improved management of medical transportation.

At the same time, we are attempting to respond to community recommendations in the health care field. For instance, a birthing project will be undertaken in Rankin Inlet on a trial basis. Nurses trained in midwifery will work with traditional nurses from the community. They will provide birthing services locally for low-risk maternity cases as an alternative to medical evacuations. In addition, Mr. Speaker, we are looking forward to the recommendations from the Special Committee on Health and Social Services.

In the area of education, funding to Northwest Territories school boards will increase by more than $3 million dollars in 1992-93. Maintaining service levels in the face of increasing enrolments is essential.

This budget also includes an increase of more than $750,000 in funding for the student financial assistance program, in order to provide financial support for the growing number of students who are going on to post-secondary education. As well, $800,000 has been budgeted to provide grade extensions in Sanikiluaq, Cambridge Bay, Coppermine, Fort Good Hope, Fort Simpson, Broughton Island and Rae Edzo.

Grade extensions, however, are not enough. Young people in the Northwest Territories are our most valuable resource. Not only do we have to extend grade levels, we must make sure that the quality and standards of education are maintained and are consistent throughout the Territories.

In order to do this, we are reviewing, revising and upgrading a number of curricula. We are also participating in a national program that will indicate where our students stand in relation to students across the country and provide us with a basis for improvement. The Minister of Education will be outlining his plans in these areas later in this session.

Mr. Speaker, in June the Premier announced our commitment to making fundamental changes in how government is structured and how it delivers services. These changes are needed so that less money is spent on administration, so that more of the benefits of government spending reach the regions outside of headquarters and so that the residents of the Northwest Territories are provided with adequate levels of service.

We intend to achieve these changes through consolidation of government departments and decentralization of government programs. By consolidating the Department of Public Works and Government Services, we will achieve an initial savings of eight headquarters person years, four regional person years and over $800,000 in the 1993-94 fiscal year. Savings in the 1992/93 year will be lower, since there will be one-time transitional costs.

Consolidating the Department of Culture and Communications and Education will result in initial savings of three headquarters person years and $300,000 in 1993-94. More savings will be achieved following a functional review of all combined operations which will take place over the next several months.

Mr. Speaker, since the movement of the Corrections Division from the Department of Social Services to the Department of Justice is a transfer, and not a consolidation, it is not expected to yield immediate savings. However, substantial long-term cost reductions are expected from improved coordination between the police, the courts and the corrections system. In particular, the investment in, and development of, a viable community justice and corrections system should keep more offenders out of jail and return them more quickly to a constructive place in our communities.

Mr. Speaker, these consolidations took place after the Standing Committee on Finance began its review of the 1992-93 budget. As a result, departmental consolidations will be reflected in the 1993-94 Main Estimates documents. Nevertheless, Mr. Speaker, the Ministers responsible and the new management of the consolidated departments will be able to speak to all components of the combined departmental budgets during Committee of the Whole review of the 1992-93 operations and maintenance estimates.

Decentralization, Mr. Speaker, will have a price tag. I would like to point out that we do not expect to decentralize without some up front costs. Regardless, Mr. Speaker, we are committed to this course of action and expect that the boost to the local economies of the communities involved will be a worthwhile investment in the long-term.

The decentralization initiatives will involve the movement of about eighty positions from Yellowknife to other communities. Specifically, positions will be relocated to Rankin Inlet, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith, Hay River, Inuvik, and Iqaluit.

The operations targeted for decentralization include P.O.L., the Public Utilities Board, the Liquor Licensing Board, Marine Operations, Arctic College Administration, the Science Institute, the Highway Transport Board and Health Insurance Services.

In addition to decentralization of existing government operation, Mr. Speaker, a territorial airports program training centre in Baker Lake will involve the creation of four permanent jobs in the community and the enrolment of about ten students, and the required number of instructors, on a year-round basis.

Planning is also well under way for two large projects in Wrigley and Fort Smith that have significant regional training and employment potential.

Five million dollars has been allocated in 1993-94 to the Wrigley Highway Extension Project. The extension will combine special training and employment measures with large-scale highway construction projects. The Chief and Band Council at Wrigley have been active throughout the summer months, meeting with government to identify training needs, employment opportunities and local benefits from this construction activity.

Considerable progress has also been made in planning the Aircraft Maintenance Facility in Fort Smith. The Community of Fort Smith has been very supportive of this project. The maintenance facility will provide significant employment, training and business opportunities and these opportunities are currently being investigated and developed.

Mr. Speaker, almost $8.5 million will be spent under the new Economic Development Agreement in 1992-93 and the Northwest Territories Development Corporation will be investing the more than $8 million dollars which was previously approved in the 1992-93 Capital Budget.

In the Keewatin, research is being carried out on the development of a fishery. Fish stocks are being identified and the existing char fishery expanded. The Northwest Territories Development Corporation is establishing a fish/meat processing facility in Rankin Inlet to serve the region. The plant will improve employment in outlying Keewatin communities as well.

In the Baffin fishery, a five year exploratory program is currently under way at 25 sites to identify fish species and to determine commercial possibilities.

Mr. Speaker, at this point, I would like to make a few comments on federal-territorial fiscal relations.

Members are well aware of the fact that our deteriorating fiscal position was caused by severe reductions in the growth of federal transfers under the Formula Financing Agreement. These reductions were the result of changes and to formula financing agreement. These reductions were the result of changes imposed on the formula by the federal government. I met with both the federal Minister of Finance, and the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, over the summer, and outlined key problems we are facing because of changes to the formula financing agreement. Officials of the Department of Finance have also met with federal officials to discuss all areas of the formula that are having a negative effect on the growth of our funding. Disputed billings for Indian and Inuit hospital services and federal funding cuts in the new social housing continue to cause us great concern. The health billing dispute centres on the terms of the health transfer and related funding agreements. The amounts owing to the government under these agreements continue to increase, and early resolution of the dispute is important to our fiscal integrity. We are making every effort to settle this matter by negotiation, at this point, Mr. Speaker, I would say that there has been a development in this area since the budget speech was printed, and I would advise the House that last week we were told by Mr. Richard Van Loon, the Assistant Deputy Minister of D.I.A.N.D., that he would not move off his position on the health billings dispute. Consequently, I have written a letter to Mr. Siddon telling him that we will file the necessary court papers by October the first of this year.

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Federal funding cuts and new social housing announced in the 1992 federal budget would mean a reduction of almost 60 percent in the number of jointly funded new social housing units in the Northwest Territories by 1993. Since that announcement, the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation has been actively, and I might say aggressively, assuming the reinstatement of federal funding for new social housing units. It is my understanding that the Federal Minister of Housing will be requesting a reinstatement of funding to 1991 levels because of the unique housing needs of territorial residents. Failure on the part of the Federal Government to resolve these issues satisfactorily will force the Northwest Territories into a precarious fiscal situation. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of revenue initiatives contained in this budget. Earlier this year, I introduced a ten percent increase in property taxes in those areas where the territorial government collects the tax. The rates in these areas are still significantly lower than those in the seven municipalities with their own taxing power. In addition, this Legislature is aware of the planned increase in the Insurance premiums Tax. This change has already been placed before this House as part of the amendment the Insurance Act tabled in February. Once approved, the tax paid annually on fire insurance premiums by insurance companies licensed in the Northwest Territories will increase from one half percent to one percent. The tax on all other insurance premiums will increase from two percent to three percent. Changes to the Insurance Act scheduled to come into effect January 1, 1993, will result in an expected increase of $250,000.00 to government revenues. In addition, liquor commission mark-ups of wine, beer, and other alcoholic beverages, will be increased by ten percent. This change...

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...effective midnight tonight should result in an additional $1.3 million dollars per year in annual revenue, or about $830,000.00 in the current fiscal year. Higher prices for alcoholic beverages will help in our battle to lower consumption rates in the Northwest Territories, will hopefully help to reduce some of the damage done to our society, and the needless drain on our social and health budgets directly related to alcohol abuse. Mr. Speaker, I am also announcing the introduction of a payroll tax of one percent of all employment income earned in the Northwest Territories. Legislation to implement this tax effective July 1, 1993 will be introduced in the next session. A payroll tax to be collected by employers is an advantage over the existing personal income tax regime because it will be paid by all employees working in the Northwest Territories. It will correct the situation of having many individuals who work in isolated work sights, or take seasonal construction jobs in the north, but who do not pay Northwest Territories income tax.

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Mr. Speaker, I am also announcing a one percentage point increase in our personal income tax rate, effective January the 1, 1993. The increase is the first since 1990. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, the cost of living in the Northwest Territories is very high. In order to provide taxpayers in the north with some relief, I am announcing a new territorial tax credit which will become effective July 1, 1993. When it is fully implemented, individuals who live in the Northwest Territories will receive a tax credit of up to $645.00, depending on income. The credit will be fully refundable. In other words, taxpayers who report income as residents of the Northwest Territories on their tax returns will be eligible to receive it, even if they have no income tax payable. Legislation to implement this change will be tabled in the next session of the Legislative Assembly. The combined effect of the new payroll tax, the increase in personal income tax, and the new tax credit, will produce a revenue increase estimated at $3.5 million dollars per year once they are completely in place. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, Cabinet and ordinary Members and Public Servants have spent many hours and much energy in the past year to develop solutions to avoid a fiscal crisis. We have had to make a number of difficult decisions, and there are more that are going to have to be made if we expect to meet our target of a balanced budget in 1993-94. I believe we will be successful. Finally, Mr. Speaker, we cannot lose sight of the exciting investment opportunities that exist in the Northwest Territories. The Northwest Territories offers unique opportunities. In mining, Mr. Speaker, its huge land mass has barely begun to be explored. Even in the current and favourable environment created by low prices and strong international competition, firms are continuing to explore, and some new properties may be reaching the development stage. Gold, lead, zinc, oil and gas continue to attract investors. The discovery of diamonds in the vast area between Rae-Edzo and Coppermine has unleased the greatest staking rush in the history of Canada. We must continue to encourage all forms of investment, such as mining in the North Slave region, the Keewatin and Kitikmeot; fisheries in the Keewatin and Baffin; world class diamond prospects near Yellowknife; hydro plants in the Rae/ Lac la Martre area; development of the Cameron Hills oil and gas fields; and the marketing of arts and crafts products domestically and internationally. In the renewable resource sector, there are rich opportunities for improving employment, fur harvesting, fishing, the lumber industry, and tourism. The opportunities in these areas have barely been touched, and they are of particular importance to aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories who form a majority of our population. Mr. Speaker, this is not the time to be standing still. Governments are supposed to help create strong economies. Strong economies mean jobs and income, and that is what people want. Our goal, Mr. Speaker, is a territorial government that will be in a much better financial position to respond to the needs of our developing economy once Canada achieves a more progressive economic growth. As you know, steps have already been taken to insure that more of our capital spending directly benefits northern residents, businesses, and is distributed in a fair and equitable manner across the Northwest Territories. The steps include increased programs for training. We need to train people, and assist them in seeking out jobs, rather than paying them to stay at home. The steps also include new approaches to construction management, and improved planning for construction businesses by dealing with our capital budget in the fall session of the Legislature. All of us must continue to send a clear signal to the investment community that the Northwest Territories is open for business. We have to let people know that we are interested in joint venturing, and that we are taking every step possible to develop the kinds of transportation infrastructure required to access the resources that all of us know will be the key to the economic future of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, with shared vision, and cooperation, I am confident that we will be successful in reshaping the way government does business in the north. With confidence and resourcefulness, we will solve our financial difficulties, and with determination and creativity, we will find ways to get people back to work, or into the work force for the first time. Mr. Speaker, before I conclude, I would like to thank the people in the Department of Finance, in particular, Lew Voytilla, and his crew who had the job of putting this budget together. I think it would be remiss if I did not thank them. I would also like to thank all those Deputy Ministers and department heads who have contributed, spent many, many hours going back over the letters that I sent them, of rejection, and I would like to say that with that kind of cooperation, I think we can improve the finances of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you Mr. Pollard, the Minister of Finance. Item 3, Ministers' Statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Thank you. Item 3, Ministers' Statements. Mr. Arvaluk.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have just returned from Inuvik, where I participated in celebrations recognizing international literacy day, September 8. That event gave us all an opportunity to think about the importance of literacy in our everyday lives, and the role it plays in drawing us together as a society. With eight official languages, the Northwest Territories is in a unique position in Canada.

Literacy plays an important part in the day-to-day life of many people, and is vital as we take our place in society. The ability to read and write is essential to prepare for a job in any field and is the first step in lifelong learning and education.

Language is also one of the keys to maintaining culture. Literacy in our aboriginal languages is critical if we are going to revitalize our languages, and if they are to flourish. When we wrote our languages, we reach from the past into the present.

By recording and utilizing the voices of the elders into writing, we make sure that their wisdom, knowledge, belief and values are carried into a changing world, and passed on to a new generation. When we write in our aboriginal languages at work, we ensure that they hold a valid place in the world of business and government. When we develop literature, poems, songs, short stories, novels in our own languages, we say that they are as important in our world as any other language.

Peter Gzowski, well known author and host of C.B.C. radio's Morningside, has been a good friend of literacy in the N.W.T. Since 1990, he has held three of his invitation gold tournaments for literacy in the Northwest Territories, and raised $170,000 for the N.W.T. Literacy Council.

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While in Inuvik I was pleased to announce that the 1993 golf tournament will be held in that community next April.

Each year, the Minister Responsible for Education, Culture and Employment Programs, presents literacy recognition awards to residents whose dedication to literacy makes them role models for their communities. Sometimes those honoured are students, sometimes they are teachers. All of them are people we admire. On international literacy day, I recognized three women who have made significant contributions to literacy in the Northwest Territories.

Ms. Susie Nakoolak and Mrs. Pootoogook Adamie were nominated by the Coral Harbour Community Education Council for their work in developing and teaching an Inuktitut literacy project in the community.

The Gwich'in Tribal Council nominated Mabel English for a literacy recognition award because she is both a student and a teacher. She developed and taught Gwich'in language and literacy classes for adults in Inuvik. She also returned to learning to upgrade her own english literacy skills so that she can go to Arctic College after thirty nine years away from formal school.

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Mr. Speaker, I have with me today some very special t-shirts which promote literacy in all the languages of the N.W.T. These t-shirts are presented to students and teachers in communities across the territories. To mark international literacy day, I am pleased to present each Member of this Assembly with one. I hope you will wear them with pride, thereby promoting literacy in all our languages. Qujannamiik.

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Thank you. Item 3, Ministers' statements. Item 4, Members' Statements. Mr. Gargan.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about what I see as a double standard that is being applied in the capital planning process for communities across the Northwest Territories.

The double standard applies to what I call, have and have not communities. Have not communities are smaller, remote and are usually traditional communities. People in these communities do not have the same opportunity to lobby government for community infrastructures as do the larger, more sophisticated communities.

Far too often I have heard in this House that the smaller community is getting a scaled-down version of a recreational, or health centre, or other types of infrastructure because of its population.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that this is wrong. All communities, whether they are large or small, have similar needs for the basic infrastructure services and programs. These essential services are necessary to enhance the physical, spiritual, and mental well being of all residents. I believe the residents should receive similar services, whether it is in such communities as Whale Cove, Hay River, Trout Lake or Iqaluit. This should be a priority of this government.

I was happy to hear the Minister of Finance state in his budget address today that it is necessary to maintain essential programs and services to those most in need, particularly in the smaller more vulnerable communities that we represent. I trust the government will remember this when it does its community capital planning over the next three years.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Item 4, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat.

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I have a statement to make and I am going to be directing my comments to the Minister of M.A.C.A. They were trying to get a recreational facility in Lake Harbour and I have just attended a B.R.C. meeting, and this was also brought up in that meeting. They

have been requesting this recreational facility since last year and they are not in the 1992-93 budget, so I have been approached by the residents of Lake Harbour to set this as a priority.

They have been telling me that they need this skating rink in Lake Harbour, so I wanted to bring this up under Members' statements so that the Ministers can think about this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. Item 4, Members' statements. Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker and Members will recall that, yesterday, I raised an issue before this House that is of critical importance to the people of Fort Smith. I am referring to the need for a public inquiry under Section 2 of the Public Inquiries Act into the administration and quality of medical services provided to the residents of our community.

Mr. Speaker, I have reviewed in Hansard the comments made by our new Minister of Health and frankly, again, I am dismayed. The Minister has commented, and I am aware that this is from the unofficial transcript that I looked over, and I quote: "I do not know where anyone is getting the impression that there is something to hide. I do not know how a Board of Inquiry, under the Medical Profession Act, would give the impression of secrecy." Well, Mr. Speaker, I would like to tell him where.

The terms of reference, established for the Saskatchewan-based report he has now referred to the Board of Inquiry, states that any information to which a Member of the review committee becomes privy shall be treated as confidential, both during the review and after submission of the final report. At the very least, Mr. Speaker, I certainly think that this could be an influential argument that the doctors on the Board of Inquiry will use to their meetings in private. The Minister has stated, in response to my Honourable colleague from the Mackenzie Delta, that the Board of Inquiry will also have the ability to look at other issues raised by the Saskatchewan report about broader issues.

Let us not forget what these people from Saskatchewan felt were the broader issues. Let us remember what the issues that residents of Fort Smith think are important. We do not even know what broader issues the Saskatchewan doctors identified because, of course, the report is confidential. Mr. Speaker, in closing, I have two questions and two comments for honourable Members to think about.

The first one is, how many answers did the general public in Yellowknife...

Excuse me, Member for Thebacha, your time is up. If you want to ask for unanimous consent. Member for Thebacha.

I seek unanimous consent to continue with my Member's statement.

Thank you. The Member for Thebacha is asking for unanimous consent to continue on her statement. Are there any nays? Proceed, Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you to my honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, as I have stated, I have two comments that I would like to leave in mind for my honourable colleagues to think about.

How many answers did the general public in Yellowknife receive, with respect to the very legitimate questions and concerns, when allegations concerning Dr. Robert Clemmy of Stanton Hospital were dealt with by a board of inquiry? If I recall correctly, everything was kept confidential.

How many times, in all of our constituencies, have we seen the Department of Health insisting on doing things its own way, regardless of what the people who are served by the health system want?

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Mr. Speaker, my constituents have told me that, unequivocally, they want a public inquiry. Not a review, under the Medical Profession Act. If this Minister fails to listen to my constituents, I can be rest assured that he will not listen to other constituents. Thank you.

Thank you. Item 4, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I want to say a few things today. My honourable colleague, the Minister of Education, mentioned something about literacy and I think that one of the most important things is having the ability to learn your own language, or speak in your own language.

When I was a child I only spoke in my first language and learned how to speak English only after attending school. So what he mentioned today about literacy I really understood. Another comment that was made today was about the Minister's Financial Budget Report. This Monday we are going to start addressing certain things concerning the financial budget and I wanted to say a few things that are concerning my constituency then.

A while ago, in Fort Simpson, August 17 of this year, there was a meeting of the Standing Committee on Finance. Whoever was sitting on this committee had visited me in Fort Simpson to discuss this, and we also went to the village of Nahanni Butte. It seems like the residents of that community are not hurt by the government. They never see government officials flying over to their community, so it was quite a surprise for them when we showed up in Nahanni.

However, we met with them for a while and we did home visits. This is why I think that the government officials should visit communities more often. Also, what Sam...

Excuse me, Mr. Antoine, your time is up. You must seek unanimous consent to continue. Mr. Antoine.

Yes, I seek unanimous consent to continue.

Mr. Antoine is asking for unanimous consent to continue on his statement. Are there any nays? Proceed, Mr. Antoine.

(Translation) Thank you. What I am saying is that I think that what Sam had mentioned before, the smaller communities should be on the priority list.

Thank you. Item 4, Members' statements. Mr. Todd.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable Members will already know that there is a great deal of concern among the communities about the totally inadequate salaries and benefits being received by alcohol and drug workers across the Northwest Territories. Mr Speaker, these individuals who play a vital role in the health of our communities need our support. They have to work long hours, and deal with issues surrounding denial, resistance, family violence, and hopelessness with some of our people. Frequently, they find themselves called on in life and death situations, and also to intervene in suicidal behaviour. Drug and alcohol workers are people who, in my opinion, have almost uniformly made an extraordinary commitment, not only to their respected communities and its values, but to the extent of professional training, and personal growth. Yet, the community based organizations for which they work...local governments, friendship centres, public committees, receive such limited financial support from the Department of Social Services that they can not afford to pay these alcohol and drug workers anything close to a decent salary. I find it unbelievable that, according to social services wage parity guidelines, someone entering the counsel profession can receive as little as a starting salary of $19,924.00. Even the project coordinators who must have a minimum of four years experience, extensive training, in order to reach the top of their salary range, receive less than a data entry clerk, or a secretary with the N.W.T. Housing Corporation in Iqaluit. The situation is nothing short of an embarrassment for this government, and for the department. I am sure that many Members in this House will be looking to the Minister of Social Services to take some immediate action, and to insure that the talented, hard working individuals employed in the difficult task of alcohol and drug projects, receive the fair level of compensation that is sadly, and badly, due to them. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 4, Member's statements. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ningark on September 9, 1992. G.N.W.T. construction dollars awarded in the N.W.T versus the south. For the N.W.T. Housing Corporation the following statistics are for contracts awarded until July 30, 1992. Of the 98 total contracts awarded, 96 contracts went to northern firms, at a total value of $23,397,172.00. 99 percent of the value went to northern companies. For the Department of Public Works, the following statistics cover the period from April 1992 until June 30, 1992, which is the first quarter of the fiscal year. Of the total contracts awarded to northern firms received 94 percent, or 116 contracts. Southern firms received six percent, or 12 contracts. Of the total contract value of $24,203,409.00, northern firms received $17,020,244.00, or 70 percent of the total value. Southern firms received $7,183,165.00, or 30 percent of the total value. The above summary represents only the general contractor who was awarded the contract. It is also important to analyze the northern subcontract value of the contracts that were awarded to southern firms. Of the 12 contracts awarded to the southern firms, just three of those contracts make up 91 percent of those dollars. The three large contracts were for the Fort Liard school addition, the Rankin Inlet D.N.D. F.O.L. Fuel Storage Facility, and the Gjoa Haven Tank Farm. On the Fort Liard project, northern subcontractors received 77 percent of the total value of the work. On the Rankin Inlet project, northern companies received 70 percent. On the Gjoa Haven project, northern firms received 37 percent. Taking the subcontract portion of these three jobs into account, the value of contracts going to northern firms is $20,275,331.00, or 84 percent. The value going to southern firms is $3,928,078.00, or 16 percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi.

Thank you. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Mr. Allooloo.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on June 22, 1992, regarding a search for Johnny Tonka. My predecessor, the Honourable Dennis Patterson, wrote to the Member on July 7, 1992, with the information requested on the involvement of Government of the Northwest Territories, and the R.C.M.P., in search for Mr. Tonka. The R.C.M.P. are primarily responsible for searches for missing persons in the Northwest Territories. The search coordinated by the R.C.M.P. is called a Public Search, and this is separate from community organized searches, which is conducted prior to, or after, the public search. The community organized search is coordinated by a Council of Municipalities under the authority of Civil Emergency Measures Act. Through the Emergency Measures Organization, my primary role is to assist communities develop emergency response plans, and maintain the capability to respond to any emergency, including a search.

Mr. Speaker, I have another return, if I may, to Mr. Pudlat, asked on June 26, 1992, regarding the upgrading of the water reservoir in Lake Harbour. Municipal and Community Affairs has commenced the planning for a selection of a new location for a truck fill station at Lake Harbour Reservoir. The new location should address the problems of sediment in the water, as well as grader problems on the access road. The new location of a truck fill station, and the improvements to the access road, will be discussed with the Hamlet Council this fall. Pending budgetary approvals, the design of the truck fill station and the improvements to the access road should be completed in 1993, with construction taking place in 1994. Thank you.

Thank you. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Government Services. The Education and training, and subsequently, the employment and business opportunities, are the most important components for maintaining social well being among the young people. In other words, hopes, dreams, and aspirations. Mr. Speaker, the government plays a major role in inspiring the hopes and aspirations of our young people and businesses in today's world. Now, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask Mr. Minister about the contracts and what the government policy is in awarding government contracts within our jurisdiction. Are there any conditions, or certain areas, when awarding these contracts. By that I mean, do we have conditions when a southern contractor is awarded the contract that specifically states the contractor shall hire local labour, and the contractor shall utilize the local hotel? Thank you.

Mr. Morin.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many contracts are tendered in a different way, and there are different specs for different contracts. The conditions vary from contract to contract. Normally, in all contracts, when the contractor bids on a job he specifies how much local labour he will be hiring, how much northern labour he will be hiring, how much local materials he will be using, what type of accommodation he will be using, and those conditions are then part of the contract, so he would have to follow those. Thank you.

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary, Mr. Speaker, I understand the conditions and criteria as stated by the Minister. I feel that the contractors from the outside are not complying with these conditions. I wonder if the Minister will insure that these conditions are complied with in the future. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Morin.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have personnel on staff that continue to monitor the contractors to assure that they are complying to the conditions of the contract that they received the contract under. If the Member has any specifics, I would like to know, and I will guarantee him that we will follow them up and straighten them up. Thank you.

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In relation to the same question, as a supplementary I would like to know what the Minister means by "considered northern firms." Are these northern firms 100 percent owned by northern businesses? Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Morin.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A northern company is a company that is registered in the Northwest Territories, has a business place of office in the Northwest Territories, and a local northern company is a company that has a business place of office in the community that the contract is in. They would be considered local northern, otherwise they would be considered northern. If you have your office in the south, other than a few major companies: PCL and Clarke Bowler that have the grandfather clause, they would be considered southern. Thank you.

Supplementary, Mr. Ningark.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The northern firm which is considered formally in the N.W.T., I guess I was not being specific about it. If the company was owned by the local community, say about 80 percent, and 20 percent is owned by a southern firm, would that be considered a northern firm because a local business owns the majority of the business? Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Morin.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is aware, we have introduced a new Business Incentive Policy to address any loopholes or a plug-in of money going south, within the last few months. A northern business that carries out business in the Northwest Territories, and has their office in the Northwest Territories is then a northern business. The ownership should be in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

Thank you. Oral questions. Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I posed questions to the Minister of Health in respect to looking at the issue of considering a public inquiry as opposed to a board of inquiry. The Minister of Health indicated that under this legislation that we passed in this House, he will not consider it because of the board of inquiry addressing many of the similarities in a public inquiry. Mr. Speaker, I have taken the liberty to look at both the Medical Profession Act and the Public Inquiries Act, and did a comparison. I know the Minister is doing the same, but I do not believe he has his information yet from his department. However, my concern, Mr. Speaker, and I would like to ask the Minister again, is that under the Medical Profession Act, under the board of inquiry there is a provision that there is no requirement that the board must report its findings under that particular act. The act is silent about giving other general recommendations, and the act does not state that the board must give reasons for its decisions. Whereas, the public inquiry, the board is to report on the inquiry to the

Commissioner. The public has the opportunity to hear what is happening in respect to the Fort Smith Health Centre. My question to the Minister of Health is, because the board of inquiry is mandated only to look at the College of Physicians report from Saskatchewan, will he reconsider the request for a public inquiry into the whole Fort Smith Health Centre? Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Speaker, I too, have been reviewing the differences between a board of inquiry under the Public Inquiries Act, and a board of inquiry under the Medical Profession Act. Mr. Speaker, I think we are really talking about the same kind of process. The Member was concerned about, as I understood it yesterday, the public having access to the process and being able to participate and hear what is going on. In fact, on reviewing the provisions in both the Public Inquiries Act and the Medical Profession Act about taking evidence, they are virtually the same. There is a possibility of in camera evidence being taken where privileged matters are being discussed, such as a patient's treatment. Both inquiries can take evidence in a public manner, Mr. Speaker. From the Member's concern, yesterday, about her constituents being able to know what is going on, I believe that the Medical Profession Act Board of Inquiry would provide the same kind of public process, at the discretion of the president, as you would find in a person heading a public inquiry under the Public Inquiries Act. Mr. Speaker, from the point of view of the public being able to see what is going on, we are really talking about the same kind of process, albeit under the Medical Profession Act and not the Public Inquiries Act. I believe that the Member's concern about public input and public involvement in the process may well be dealt with as easily under the Medical Profession Act as under the Public Inquiries Act. Therefore, I think we are dealing with the same kind of process under a different name. The powers are different and the results are different, but the process, I believe, is substantially the same under both forms of inquiry. Thank you.

Thank you. Supplementary, Member for Thebacha.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister said, himself, the powers are different. That is exactly the difference in the public inquiry versus the board of inquiry. Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Minister again, and I think the Minister is missing the key fundamental principle. The board of inquiry is mandated to look at the College of Physicians report that was developed by the College of Saskatchewan. The public inquiry that I am seeking is to look at the whole Fort Smith Health Centre, which assisted in developing that report. I would like to ask the Minister, again, will he reconsider my request in conducting a public inquiry, taking into account that he stated that the powers are different and the results are different. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Speaker, one important matter at issue in the Fort Smith Health Centre is medical practice, the practice of a particular physician in working in that centre. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the powers of the board of inquiry under the Medical Profession Act are different. I would submit to the honourable Member that they are different because they are very appropriate to an inquiry into a medical professional's practice. The board of inquiry under the Medical Profession Act has the power to remove a physician's license or practising privileges, or put qualifications on that physician's license or practising privileges following a hearing which follows the principles of natural justice and respects all the rights of that particular physician, or that board could find, after listening to all evidence, that there is no reason to be concerned about that particular doctor's practice. I am aware many of that doctor's patients feel there is no reason to be concerned, exonerate the physician, and put no restrictions whatsoever on the practice. That is appropriate to this kind of hearing, Mr. Speaker. That is a power that would not be available under the Public Inquiries Act. That is why I said, yesterday, this legislation is tailor- made for this particular situation.

To the Member's other point, Mr. Speaker, which was that there may be other issues arising out of the operation of the Fort Smith Health Centre that the public inquiry could look into that would not be available under the board of inquiry under the Medical Profession Act. I would like to assure the Member, and restate what I believe I said yesterday, in response to Mr. Nerysoo's question, that, in fact, and without getting into detail of the Saskatchewan College report, because the physician in question has, in fact, initiated court proceedings, I think the Member is aware, seeking an injunction to restrain release of that report. I must be careful about discussing its details to protect his interest. Mr. Speaker, without getting into the detail, the Saskatchewan College report raises a number of broad issues about the operation of the Fort Smith Health Centre, unrelated to a particular doctor's medical practice. These, I think I called them "broad issues", yesterday, cover all aspects of the operation of the Fort Smith Health Centre. Therefore, I would like to insure the honourable Member that Dr. Covert does have the authority in looking into the matters raised by the Saskatchewan College with regard to the Fort Smith Health Centre, and does have the authority to give advice and recommendations on all those other matters that may be concerning the Member. It is not just focused on medical practice, Mr. Speaker, it is focused on many wide aspects of the operation of the Fort Smith Health Centre, therefore, it will be, I believe, the very thorough and comprehensive review that the Member is seeking. Thank you.

Thank you. Supplementary, Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In respect to the Minister's response on broader issues, I would like to ask the Minister, according to his press release, issued last Thursday, which I found out from C.B.C., did not even have the courtesy to advise me as a Member that he was considering a board of inquiry. I quote from the press release, "he has a further report from the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons to the board of inquiry, established under the Medical Profession Act. The report deals with medical procedures at the Fort Smith Health Centre, and it was commissioned by the health centre's board of management." Is the Minister telling me, now, that board of inquiry is going to look at broader issues other than the College of Physicians report?

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

First of all, Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge to the honourable Member that, as I believe she knows, I was leaving to go on the land, last Thursday. I told you earlier today. She did not know at the time, she knows now, I hope.

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Order, please. Order. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Speaker, I was just trying to explain that I was leaving to go down the bay, last Thursday, and I had asked my staff to get hold of the honourable Member and let her know of the decision that was about to be taken. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, my staff was unable to get a hold of Mrs. Marie-Jewell. I guess they should have known she was in Yellowknife. They were looking for her in Fort Smith. I do apologize to the honourable Member that she was not informed of this action, and had to hear it through the media. Mr. Speaker, to answer the honourable Member's question, the short answer is "no", but I would like to clarify, again, that the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons review of the operations of the Fort Smith Health Centre, which was a broad-based review, did deal with broader issues than the medical practice of a certain doctor. What I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is that this board of inquiry will be able to look at many other issues than the particular issue of the particular practice of a particular physician. I would assure the honourable Member, that if there are matters that come up in the course of that inquiry that are matters of concern and should be looked into, then, at that time, I will look at all possible means to pursue those matters. In may, indeed, be that a further inquiry, and, perhaps, even a public inquiry, may emerge as an appropriate method of dealing with issues that arise from this board of inquiry under the Medical Profession Act. Thank you.

Final supplementary, Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously the Minister has not read this act. The Medical Profession Act, Mr. Speaker, indicates that the only appeal process, as a result of the board of inquiry is through the courts, through the Supreme Court of Canada. So how can he tell me in this House today that he would consider looking at maybe a public inquiry after, if the results were to be looked at? Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister, as I stated in this House earlier, the Medical Profession Act indicates that a Board of Inquiry does not have to justify their reasons for their decisions. They do not have to do that. However, a public inquiry does.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister also stated that he cannot look at broader issues because the report looked at the broader issues. What I am asking for is the total issue to be looked at under the Fort Smith Health Centre in respect to a public inquiry. So therefore, recognizing that there is a total difference between public inquiry and Board of Inquiry, will the Minister reconsider his decision?

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Speaker, I have read the Medical Profession Act. My understanding of it may not be as great as that of the honourable Member, but I have read the Act, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I am gathering from the honourable Member's questions, and those of Mr. Nerysoo yesterday, is that they believe that in addition to the concern about the practice of a particular physician, there may well be other issues of concern about the operation of the Fort Smith Health Centre.

Mr. Speaker, what I have tried to clarify today is that those broader issues are, in fact, referred to in the Saskatchewan College Report which Dr. Covert will be responding to in the inquiry he is going to head. This Board of Inquiry will be able to deal with those broad issues.

As far as the Right of Appeal is concerned, Mr. Speaker, as I understand the Act, the section the Member refers to, deals with a physician's appeal to a decision of the majority of a Board of Inquiry about whether or not that physician may continue to practise medicine. And that decision, indeed, can only be appealed to the Supreme Court. However, Mr. Speaker, if there are matters that arise in the Board of Inquiry that should be dealt with, that are issues of concern to the people of Fort Smith and issues of health care of concern in that community, then obviously I will give the Member my undertaking to do everything in my power to see that those matters are addressed.

I want to assure the Honourable Member that I am as concerned about the quality of health care in that community as she is. I believe that I have a responsibility to safeguard the quality of health care and I am willing to take whatever steps that are required once the Board of Inquiry is concluded.

I have not examined the matter of how it reports, and what reasons might be given, I would have to take that part of her questions as notice. I think that it is a matter that will have to be reviewed by lawyers. But I will assure the Honourable Member that if there are matters that arise out of that inquiry that merit further attention, I will give it that attention, by whatever means are appropriate.

I think we should take the first step, have the review that is required by legislation designed for that purpose and designed for this situation and once the results are evident, then I will take whatever steps that are appropriate, relying on advice from the Honourable Member and her constituents. Thank you.

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Todd.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Social Services. Fourteen months ago the Honourable Jeannie Marie-Jewell tabled in the 11th Assembly a comprehensive strategy plan for the delivery of alcohol and drug services. The document stated that it was important that the wage and benefit structure of the counselling profession at the community level makes it attractive for a good many trainees to remain in the counselling careers so that good people are not lost as a result of real, or perceived, low wages.

Can the Minister of Social Services advise the House why the Department is being so slow to follow the advice of its own consultants and address the deficient salary schedule for the addiction counsellors before we lose too many good people at the field level.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Well, a short answer, Mr. Speaker, is that the Department has been unable to identify the resources in this difficult financial climate. But I do want to assure the Honourable Member that I am well aware of the issue. I have discussed it with the Minister of Finance and the Financial Management Board. It is under active consideration at this moment and I believe that, even though we are in a period of restraint, this government will place a priority on addressing that issue. Thank you.

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Health whether or not the Board of Inquiry that he has established to address the Report of the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Saskatchewan on the matter of medical services and, in particular, the specific Doctor, if evidence is given from either board members or members of the Government that might, in fact, be libel, as can be used in the Court of Law to, in fact, challenge those individuals.

Excuse me. Asking the Minister's legal opinion is not a proper question to the Minister. Mr. Nerysoo.

Mr. Speaker, I am not asking for the honourable Member's opinion. In fact, the legislation says that section 30, of the Act clearly says that the witness may be examined under oath on all matters relevant to the investigation and shall not be excused from answering any questions on the grounds that the answer may: a) tend to incriminate the witness; b) subject the witness to punishment under this, Act or; c) tend to establish the liability of the witness. Under c(i), to a civil proceeding at the instance of the commissioner of any person to the prosecution, but any incriminating evidence so given might not be used to incriminate that person in any other proceedings.

Now, I am not asking for a legal opinion, the law says that, in fact, evidence can not be used for libellous charges and I wanted to clarify that because in a public inquiry, an individual could not hide behind that kind of libellous evidence. So, even though I am ruled out of order, the fact is that the law is there and I am not sure how to deal with it.

I believe there is no question in the last remarks. Oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo.

Mr. Speaker, could I ask the Minister of Health how he could assure the public that witness appearing before the board of inquiry, in fact, are liable for their evidence.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

That is a rather sophisticated legal question, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The Member for Thebacha.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has established a board of inquiry under the Medical Profession Act to review a report that was completed earlier by representatives of the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons.

I have reviewed the terms of references that were established for the Saskatchewan doctors who went through the health centre. The terms of reference stated that the committee will be comprised of at least four to five members as selected by the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons.

Will the Ministers confirm in this House, that there were not four or five Saskatchewan doctors involved in this review, but rather only two doctors. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

I will take this question as notice, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Thank you, that Mr. Patterson will take that question as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Todd.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Government Leader. Can the Government Leader provide this House with a full listing of employees at the D.M. and A.D.M. level who over the last five years have been given early retirement.

Madam Premier.

Mr. Speaker, yes.

Supplementary, Mr. Todd.

Thank you. Can the Government Leader provide this House with what our full financial obligation is associated with the special settlement arrangements.

Thank you. Madam Premier.

Mr. Speaker, if I have no legal obligations and it is clear to provide that information, I will do so. Thank you.

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

Thank you. The Minister will take that question as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the honourable Member, the Minister responsible for Health, whether or not he could table the report of Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons, since he referred it to that particular matter. We do not as Members have that particular document.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Speaker, on July 15 of this year, Dr. Uma Viswalingam requested an injunction to prevent release of the college's report. That matter was dealt with by the court, and an appeal from the lower court's decision was heard in the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories on August 10, 1992.

The appeal has been adjourned without a certain date of return and the Supreme Court file has been sealed. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that since the matter is before the courts and since the issue is before the courts, I must not release it. Secondly, Mr. Speaker, I should forthrightly tell the Honourable Member that the report contains information about the treatment of certain patients and also other sensitive matters. I would also believe that it is not in the public interest to reveal such sensitive matters relating to patient physician privilege. Thank you.

Supplementary, Mr. Nerysoo.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that normal practices and rules of this House, in fact, require a Member to table a particular document if he refers to that particular document. I will ask again Mr. Speaker, upon referencing a number of issues in this House, whether or not the Minister will in fact provide to all Members the privilege of in fact reviewing that document, since he has been discussing it in this House.

Thank you. Mr. Patterson.

Mr. Speaker, I would cite the sub-judice rules of the House and say that this sensitive matter is before the courts, and I do not believe that there is a compulsion for me to table the report, merely because it has been mentioned in the House.

With great respect to the Member, no, I am not willing to table that report for the reasons stated. Thank you.

Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Speaker, then could I ask the honourable Member why is he referring to the particular report, items in that particular report, and recommendations and issues in that report. I asked the Minister a question. Mr. Speaker, I remember the date, because my birthday was the day before...

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It has been eight months now since I last asked this question with regard to the export of eggs from a production facility here in the Northwest Territories. I am sure that the Minister has had eight months to think about it, perhaps to do a bit of work on it, and have his staff, do all the necessary research in order to respond to that question at a later date, so I will ask it again, eight months later. It is my understanding, Mr. Speaker, that in order for markets to market eggs outside the Northwest Territories, it is necessary to secure marketing quotas under the National Farm Products Marketing Act. I would like to ask the Minister, can the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism advise the House regarding this progress in securing this marketing quota?

Thank you. Mr. Pollard.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not much has changed in the last eight months. There is a requirement for the Northwest Territories to obtain a quota from C.E.M.A. in order to export eggs out of the Northwest Territories. There have been a number of occasions where the Northwest Territories has requested a quota from S.E.M.A. It has even gone as far as the federal Minister of Agriculture, but it is not the federal government's decision. It is the participants of S.E.M.A., and that means all of the

provinces who are presently in that organization. In effect, what you need is 32 signatures, Mr. Speaker, to allow a newcomer into the old boy's club, we have not been successful in negotiating a quota with S.E.M.A., and getting all those people to sign. One of the things, Mr. Speaker, that has been a problem is that they have been unwilling to give us the size of quota that our producers would have liked, so we have not made very much progress in that area, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not only do I remember February the 20 because of my birthday before, but I also remember that the Minister did make that similar, or same, response. One of the things that happened, four years ago, perhaps, was that, I believe the Department was going to take, I believe, S.E.M.A. to court, based on a constitutional issue of quality, or something to that effect. I understood, even at that time, Mr. Noseworthy was the D.M., and because of this threat of court action, S.E.M.A. was willing to provide the quotas. I even understood that there was, enough people to sign the deal, but it might have changed since. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not he has looked at other avenues during the last eight months since I have asked the question, on what other possibilities there are with regard to getting an egg quota, or a court challenge.

Thank you. Mr. Pollard.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of the things that have been happening this year is the whole question of the inter-provincial trade, and the reduction of trade barriers within Canada. There has been the G.A.T. negotiations in Europe, and there is the new Free Trade Agreement that is being discussed at the present time between Canada, the United States, and Mexico. We have been anxious to see what the impacts of those agreements would be upon us, because as everybody knows, those kinds of organizations may fall by the wayside, and there may be free trade within Canada. So, that is one of the things that is happening at the present time. My understanding is that Mr. Richardson, who is an egg producer in Hay River, has a case at the present time in southern Canada before the courts. I will not comment on the courts, Mr. Speaker, but I will tell you that the Department of Justice for the G.N.W.T. offered to become involved in that case as well, and Mr. Richard's declined our assistance at this time. So, there are two things that are happening right now that we are closely monitoring, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions, supplementary, Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Speaker, during the 11th Assembly, the House was advised that in order to receive an allocation of the egg marketing quota, it would be necessary to establish an agricultural council, or an agricultural marketing board. Based on this advice, the 11th Assembly passed an Agricultural Products Marketing Act of the Northwest Territories. Can the Minister advise the House whether he has now established this marketing agency?

Thank you. Mr. Pollard.

Mr. Speaker, I will take that part of the question as notice, and get back to the Member. Thank you.

Thank you. The Minister has taken the question as notice. Oral question, Mr. Pudlat.