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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I am somewhat concerned of the process that we developed. Basically, what has happened is that we have had a report tabled in this House, that the Legislative Assembly, and the government, has spent probably a million dollars on. It has been tabled, and never brought forth to committee of the whole.

Political leaders have taken it upon themselves to develop a work plan, with the input of M.L.A.'s comments, or concerns, in regards to the initial document. Mr. Speaker, I have a copy of the initial draft work plan, and I am concerned that there is nothing in respect to Metis people in the territories, and I know that it is only a draft. So, I would like ask the Minister, again, Mr. Speaker, when does he intend to bring forth the document Working Towards a Common Future for Members' discussions, and comments, in this House? Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the view that has been taken historically with regard to constitutional development in the north, is that in respect to specific aboriginal groups, it is those aboriginal groups that are mandated to represent those people in claims negotiations and constitutional negotiations, that we speak for them. In the case of the Metis, it is a bit overlapped right now in that the Metis Association has historically taken that role.

I do not think they are lax in their diligence at all, but the Gwich'in Tribal Council has taken the view that they represent all descendants of the Gwich'in, regardless of whether they are of treaty or Metis status. The Sahtu Tribal Council also represents the Metis locals of that region, and have motions endorsing the view that the Sahtu Tribal Council speaks for all Dene and Metis, in that region, in regards to claims negotiations, political, and constitutional issues.

As far as this Legislature is concerned, we have, at least I have, taken the view that we should give the aboriginal groups the comfort of trying to take some lead in these discussions, and not try to pressure them or suggest that we should have a larger say in it at all. We should take some comfort that it is community leaders, it is regional leaders, and it is duly elected leaders specifically mandated to represent aboriginal groups that are giving us some suggestions. That is what this draft work plan is.

I would suggest that the work plan is something that can be responded to, if the Member wants to make suggestions to that, and we can look at tabling that. My view is that it may be something more appropriately done as a caucus issue, since I sit in this committee representing the government, and Mr. Dent has been there representing the Legislature's ordinary Members. We have known for some time that this arrangement may need to be revisited, so that can be discussed in some context, as well.

You bring up the question of whether the Metis had been adequately dealt with or not. I know one of the Members of the committee, Mr. Dent, had raised the issue of whether municipalities are being treated adequately, or not, in this process. Whatever process we set up, it is my view, this community of political leaders is charged with overseeing the constitutional process much in the same way that the Constitutional Alliance had some years ago. We are one Member, or Members, of this committee not chairing it, not directing it, just being a part of it. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I should correct the Minister, it is not the Metis Association, I believe it is the Metis Nation. They changed their name well over a year ago. Mr. Speaker, with all due respect to the Gwich'in and the Sahtu Tribal Council, the Deh Cho, the Dene and the Metis, I am trying to ask a question to the Minister. This Minister is in charge of Aboriginal Affairs, he is basically responsible for Intergovernmental Affairs.

He is trying to ensure that we have a package for the western Arctic, and I am basically going to outright ask him, where and when in the process do elected M.L.A.s become involved in developing this package for this Legislative Assembly? Currently, it is being done by the political leaders without the consideration of the M.L.A.s' comments, on whether we think the Working Towards a Common Future document is good, bad, acceptable, or non-acceptable.

So, I would like to ask the Minister when will he take the time to allow M.L.A.s to express their comments regarding that document?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the work plan is in a very rough draft form, which, I think, is what the Member has in her hands. All of the Members of the political committee are going to voice their views on the context, the content, and the outline, of that paper as it is written. Following that, if there is sufficient reason to believe most of the Members are in line with it, then it will go to, I think, a committee meeting, and it would be discussed. I think if the Member wants, I can table a final draft that is going to go to the next meeting of political leaders for discussion, as a way to get input from the Members, then that is what we can do.

The fact is, right now, this Legislature is the one that has the dollars to continue the process, or to shut it down, because the submission is going to be made to this Legislature. I think, if the Member wants input at this stage, and she wants to do it here in the Legislature, then that is fine.

It is rather awkward because, as I say, the last submission that was made by this group was made directly to this Legislature, and it was abruptly approved with dispatch, as somebody said last week. I am not certain that this is the process for it, but I have no difficulty with the suggestion, and I would be prepared to do it. I just do not want to get into a debate with Members about what the process should be.

We are trying to go with the flow, and I think give them whatever comfort we can, to let them make suggestions on how the work should be done on the next phase, or how they think phase two of the constitutional development of the territories should proceed, the western territories. Let us say, that it is not Members of the eastern Arctic who are going to watch, with some interest, because it will not directly affect them, but they know that people will come cap in hand to this Legislature for the money. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions, Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Aboriginal Rights and Constitutional Development if he, or any of his Cabinet colleagues, have received any documents that were to be forwarded, or considered by Cabinet, to outline the direction, and establish a policy, to guide the discussions and negotiations on the community transfer initiatives?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the implementation plan and paper that described the approach this government wishes to take in regard to community transfer initiatives is being finalized to go to Cabinet, I believe, this week. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary. Can the Minister indicate whether or not he received any previous documents that were, in fact, intended to be brought forward and considered by Cabinet, other than the one that is being proposed for this week?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the fact is, in my earlier statement, I forgot to mention that the paper that is being prepared this week, will go to the working group made up of the Premier, myself, Mr. Antoine, and Mr. Koe, as was anticipated and expected by this Legislature.

Following that, if there is an agreement, it will go to Cabinet, and once approved, it will land in this Legislature as it was requested.

There are other papers that have been developed. None of them have gotten anywhere close to Cabinet, yet. They all have been reviewed, rewritten, changed, and regurgitated. Parts have been reworded, omitted, retitled, reorganized. New definitions have come in, but none of them, I would say, have come anywhere close to going to Cabinet because, I think, the internal working that has been at play here. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary. Did the Minister, himself, have knowledge of those documents, and did the Minister review those documents?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, all the work that the staff within my ministry do, and the drafts, come to my desk. They bring them up for discussion. They are reviewed by other senior officials within the department, deputy ministers, people from the central agencies, and there are many drafts and rewrites, and it is safe to say, that I probably have seen them all. I do not think they are all separate documents. They have been updated, changed, and rewritten on quite a number of occasions. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions, supplementary, Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For clarification, could the honourable Member indicate to me why he has indicated to this House, and the public, that there have been no documents produced, dealing with the matter of the community transfer initiatives?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if I ever did say something like that, it would simply be in the context that there has been no document that has had the approval of Cabinet, and is now in existence. It was probably the context in which I would have made such a statement. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions, Mr. Dent.