Yes, Mr. Chairman. We will provide that to the Members.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just if I could get clarification. Is the Victims Impact Statement Pilot Project under this directorate, as well?

Mr. Chairman, whatever monies that are provided for these projects would come out of the directorate, although there is no specific cost identified in this directorate. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am sure that the Minister recalls my statement and questions earlier today, it is just that I wanted to find out if there has been an assessment of what the cost might be to provide the service of Victims Impact Statements across the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Chairman, there is no real cost associated with these pilot projects. These pilot projects were initiated a couple of years ago, I gave some information to the Member earlier today, and I understand that C.B.C. twisted it into a wonderful news article this afternoon, saying that I admitted that the whole thing was a dismal failure. The fact is, the pilot projects was exactly that, we are trying to find out how this could be worked in a way that would be of use to all of the parties concerned in the administration system.

There is some hiccups in it, but we are not contemplating adding new pilot projects at this time, because we have to access the pilot projects, to date, and see what we can do to make the improvements that the pilot projects have brought to light. Thank you.,

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to directorate, I want to comment on the fact that most departments, even this the Department of Justice, have not been taking the process of setting operational objectives seriously enough. I looked at the main estimates that we approved last year, in our 1991-92 fiscal year, and I saw that one of the tentative objectives for that year was to negotiate the transfer of prosecutions from the federal Department of Justice. I do not think this objective was met, Mr. Chairman, because I have not seen anything reported to the House in that regard. In fact, I do not even know if there were any negotiations.

In the proposed main estimates before us today, Mr. Chairman, there is no reference at all to the transfer of responsibility for prosecution. I have concerns about the accountability process when it comes to this department. To me, it does not take its own process for setting their own objectives seriously. I hope that in the future, there are more specific measures used to evaluate whether this department, and any other department, have met their previous year's objectives.

I know, Mr. Chairman, that this has been addressed in recommendation number 56, brought forward by the Standing Committee on Finance. I trust that the Minister and his officials have taken note of this fact and realize that we are very serious about not approving main estimates for programs in 1993-94 that do not provide specific output measures. Just to clear up this outstanding issue, perhaps, I should ask the Minister to clarify the current status of our attempt to negotiate the transfer of responsibility for criminal prosecution. I wonder if he could also comment on why this unfulfilled objective has not been included in the department's definitive objectives for the current year? Thank you.

Mr. Chairman, I understand the definitive objective is to place before Members and the public, those things that the department thinks are reasonable objectives to try to accomplish within the budget year. The previous Ministers of Justice, both Mr. Ballantyne and Mr. Patterson, worked very hard to convince the federal Minister that prosecution should be devolved to the territorial government. What they received, as I understand, is a very flat emphatic "no". That is the end of the discussion. So, the department has said that this is no longer a reasonable objective to place under definitive objectives. That is why it is not there. The suggestion is we have to wait for another day, and I am not, at this time, of the view that it is a reasonable objective to continue placing in here. That is why it is not there. Thank you.

Mr. Chairman, I wonder if Members would remember my little request to try to get Justice done today, because the time is coming up. Just a quick response to the question, the records of young offenders are kept separate and confidential. That is the way it is in law. Thank you.