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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the tradition of adopting here in the north, amongst Inuit and Dene, as the Member says the practice is labelled. It is customary. It is part of our tradition for family and friends to adopt children, sometimes they are grandchildren, sometimes they are cousins and sometimes they are not even related, but that is our custom.

The Family Law Review Report recommends very emphatically, that we develop no legislation, there would be nothing in the law that would say how custom adoption fits, or does not fit, into our present justice system.

What I understand is that Social Services and the courts, the Department of Justice, and vital statistics, have really been besieged by individual requests from parents, and relatives of adopted children, for instance, to change names, and to look for passports. In trying to do paperwork, there really was no system set up to deal with custom adoption. Custom adoption moved into this, because of the need for paperwork. The Family Law Review seems to suggest, and I cannot really speak about it in detail, because it is not tabled yet, but it recommended, I think you could say, that we stay out of it. All we do is try to find a way in which to make it simple.

If people want to change a name, if they want to get birth certificates, social insurance numbers for children, or passports, as a government, we should make a commitment. I think I can make the commitment now, that we will work towards making it simple for people in the communities to get through these bureaucratic wrangles, that so many get hung up on these days.

I do not think that the government ever intended to start legislating, and developing laws, for custom adoption.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Directorate, total O and M of $1.833 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Page 79, police services, a total O and M of $23.98 million. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One important concern I have is under the program, and activity, is policing in the smaller communities in the eastern Arctic.

When I travel, Mr. Chairman, I notice that most of the police staff are white male officers, especially when you have two officers in the same community. I do not know the reason behind that. Maybe the reasons are that men tend to commit to more crimes than women. I do not know.

I would like to ask the Minister through you, Mr. Chairman, if the Department of Justice has any program, or any initiative, to try and recruit women officers within the small communities. The reason I say that, is that crime in our smaller communities is still running high, and violence against women is still very high. In that respect, Mr. Chairman, I would like to know if the Department of Justice has any initiatives to try and recruit women in the area where you have two officers, one being a male officer, the other being a female officer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, I understand up until 13 years ago, there were no female R.C.M.P. officers present in the Northwest Territories. Now there are at least twenty in the G division, so there is some movement towards recruiting women in the force, and having them present in the Northwest Territories. I am not certain if that was the full extent of the Member's question.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, my question was, is the Department of Justice taking initiatives to recruit more female officers to the communities, especially when you have two officers. Now, every community that I have been to, where they have two officers, they are usually male officers. When you have two officers, one should, at least, be a female officer, because sometimes the R.C.M.P. officer is called to a family dispute where women are involved. That was my question.

I am not going to elaborate why I feel that there should be more female officers. I think each, and every Member of this House, knows why. Thank you.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Police services. Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

I am not sure if this particular matter is important, because the Yellowknifer, or News/North, may not think it is an important issue, maybe not to Yellowknife anyway. I wanted to ask the R.C.M.P., or the Minister of Justice, if there have been any discussions concerning the police services, or the establishment of an individual, in Arctic Red River to provide services to that community.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, if I could just make note of the previous Member's comments. Mr. Ningark, I understand, is suggesting that we should look at the suggestion that if we had more women R.C.M.P. officers in the communities, it may lend a more positive element, particularly to the female population of the communities who need, perhaps greater sensitivity, than most members of the community perceive the male R.C.M.P. officers to have.

He says that this may be a positive element to suggest to the R.C.M.P. in their recruitment policies. I think it is a very good suggestion, and I will pass that on to the senior people in the R.C.M.P. division here.

With respect to Mr. Nerysoo's question regarding Arctic Red River. I met with the Chief from Arctic Red River a couple of weeks ago, and the chief raised the same point as well. What I had said is that, in my view, I believe that every community in the Northwest Territories, whether they have any level of crime or not, reported crime, that they deserve to have some police presence in that community.

The problem is, of course, that this government, and Legislature, have never had the adequate resources to implement that. In fact, we do not really have a full say, anyway, in the way that the resources we allocate to the R.C.M.P., are used. In regard to Arctic Red River, it was one of the communities that was pointed out to the Chief Superintendent of the R.C.M.P. when I met with him. I know that housing, and office space, is one of the additional problems that we are faced with.

If we lay out money to make an officer available, and the R.C.M.P. agree to place that individual in Arctic Red River, we still have the added problem that we need capital money to build an office, and adequate housing. Right now, I understand that the federal government has to provide it, but there is a possibility that the community may take their own initiative to make those types of facilities available for lease. This was discussed with the chief, when I met with him a few weeks ago.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. Just to show, Mr. Chairman, to people that do write stories, Arctic Red River is being responsible in this matter. In fact the comments that you made indicate that they are considering a number of options that would not, in fact, cost this government capital dollars, but rather operational and maintenance dollars on a long-term basis, so there is not, what you might say, significant, and immediate, need for capital expenditures of a great amount by this government.

I do want to encourage the Minister, and the department, to pursue discussions with the community. I am not certain if you necessarily have to add more, as opposed to maybe reorganizing the region itself, to either reduce numbers in one community, or move an individual from a larger centre. The intention, for instance, of Fort McPherson, is to provide services to two communities, and maybe that could be investigated, in terms of the services to Arctic Red River. I just wanted to make those particular comments to you.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Police services. Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to follow up a bit on what Mr. Nerysoo has mentioned, in that some of the community groups have access to certain monies, and may be able to make deals in terms of capital expenditures. So, I think further discussion and negotiations are open to some of these communities. I hope that, during your visit next week up into the Delta, you get into some more details on these types of negotiations. They may be willing to build some houses for you to house this new staff, if you can find monies to hire them, and deals could be made to house them.

One area that I am particularly interested in is the Native Special Constable Program, and I see that the cost sharing arrangement with the Solicitor General of Canada. Can you tell me how many native constables, or native special constables you have in the territories, and where are they?

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, just for the Members interest, if my plans unfold as they should, hopefully I will be in Arctic Red River, and the Gwich'in communities, including Aklavik and Inuvik next week to follow up on some of the meetings that I have had with community leaders two weeks ago, and to take care of some other business as well. I will be following up on the comments that both Mr. Nerysoo, and Mr. Koe, have made.

In response to his specific question, I understand that there are a total of 34 aboriginal members within the "G" division at the present time.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Police services. Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

I imagine those 34 are spread fairly equally across the territories, I hope they are. Has an evaluation of any kind been done on the quality of service, and the appreciation of having these people in the communities that they are in. Has any kind of evaluation been done on the use of native constables in the north?

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman. I hope I did not miss anything in the Member's question, but what I understand is that these aboriginal members are roughly split half in the eastern part of the territory, half in the west. That is just my own quick rough estimate, based on the list that I have. All of them are now considered full members, full constables, in the R.C.M.P., and that the R.C.M.P. are integrating them as quickly as they can to internal full status, or whatever you call it. They are, as far as I know, very much appreciated by the communities that they serve.

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The Chair Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Koe.