Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I do not think there is a specific rule that says all standing committee reports have to be translated. I think it was provided as a courtesy and our Member on the Public Accounts Committee, Mr. Pudlat, is involved and he fully understands what is in the committee report. So I do not see the problem that the honourable Member from the Delta has raised.
Debates of Sept. 30th, 1992
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Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Thank you. I have already ruled on the point of order. I am prepared to give a more detailed response to the House tomorrow, but my ruling was that I feel for something as important as a committee report, the precedent of this House has been that reports of committees are translated. My ruling is for the committee chairman stand down the report until there are translated copies for all Members.
Reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 12, tabling of documents. Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document. Tabled Document 106-12(2), Terms of Reference, Public Inquiry, Fort Smith ....
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Order, please... Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document. Tabled Document 106-12(2), Terms of Reference, Public Inquiry, Fort Smith Health Centre. Thank you.
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Tabling of documents. Mr. Whitford.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Section 62(2) of the Transportation of Dangerous Good Act 1990, I wish to table the following document. Tabled Document 107-12(2), Report to the Legislative Assembly on Transportation of Dangerous Goods 1991. Thank you.
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Tabling of documents, Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table two documents. First I would like to table, Tabled Document 108-12(2), a copy of correspondence dated September 29 from the Minister of Health to myself regarding health planning for health services. Members will note that paragraph four of this letter clearly shows that the department will be undergoing some reorganization to form a new planning group consisting of two planning officers, a researcher, and a statistic's analyzer to support board planning initiatives.
Secondly, Mr. Speaker, Tabled Document 109-12(2), a copy of correspondence dated September 30 from the Speaker of the Keewatin Regional Council to myself, regarding the joint planning for a regional health care facility for the Keewatin region. Mr. Speaker, this letter reiterates the support of the regional council to locate this facility in Rankin Inlet.
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne
Tabling of documents. Item 13, notices of motion. Item 14, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, motions. Item 16, first reading of bills. Item 17, second reading of bills. Item 18, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 9-12(2), Strength at Two Levels; Tabled Document 10-12(2), Reshaping Northern Government; Tabled Document 62-12(2), Report on Northwest Territories Operations at Expo '92 as at May 31, 1992; Tabled Document 66-12(2), "Working Towards a Common Future" Commission for Constitutional Development; Tabled Document 70-12(2), "The Justice House" Report of the Special Advisor on Gender Equality; Motion 6, discussion on "Sobriety Clause in Contribution Agreements"; Committee Report 17-12(2), Report on the Review of the 1992-93 Main Estimates; Bill 9, an Act to Amend the Insurance Act; Bill 33, Appropriation Act No. 2, with Mr. Nerysoo in the Chair.
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
I would like to call the committee to order. We were dealing with the budget yesterday. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Ningark.
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Mr. Chairman, I would like to suggest that we deal with Bill 9 and Bill 33, and then back to the budget.
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Is that agreed with the committee?
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. We will deal with Bill 9. If we could deal with Bill 9, we were deferred at clause 5. Bill 9, clause 5. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, I move that clause 5 of Bill 9, an Act to Amend the Insurance Act, be amended by striking out 1993, and substituting 1994.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Do all Members have copies of the motion? Thank you, I believe all Members have a copy, and just note that the motion is in three languages English, Inuktitut and French. Are there any comments with regard to the motion? The motion is in order. Any comments? Mr. Dent.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be supporting this motion to amend, in large part because it delays implementation of the increase. I just wanted to state again for the record, that my main objection to this bill, is because it represents a hidden tax. I would not object to a scheme which sets a fee, or fees, to allow the government to recover the costs of administration, but such fees should not be set as a percentage of premiums. They should be set in dollars.
Another consideration has to be, in the past day we have heard complaints about rates of insurance companies, and I think the best way to keep rates down is competition. The N.W.T. we have to realize is a very small jurisdiction, it is very small for insurance companies. The volume is not here to attract a lot of companies. In the past several companies have withdrawn from doing business in the N.W.T.
The fireman's fund has completely withdrawn from the market. I am advised that Commercial Union, which is one of the largest underwriters in the N.W.T., has quit writing any new policies, which is generally the first step toward withdrawing completely from a market. Also, contrary to what we have been told in this House, I have been advised by agents that many insurance companies treat the N.W.T. as a separate zone, tracking loss histories, and the cost of doing business here, and factoring these into the actuarial figures, to compute premiums.
With computerized data, it is easy to see how that can be done. I believe that any increase to the cost of doing business will be passed on to the consumer. I believe that insurance companies, which are already unenthusiastic about doing business in the north, will look at the higher cost of doing business, add this tax increase into their consideration, and perhaps decide that it is really not worthwhile to do business north of 60.
As competition declines, Mr. Chairman, you can count on insurance premiums going up. So, while I will support this amendment, because it delays something that is a bad move, I want to advise that I will still vote against this bill in third reading.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Pudluk.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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Ludy Pudluk High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, myself, will be supporting this amendment to the motion, because the insurance companies in the Northwest Territories are, no doubt, in need of improvements, particularly in the further communities in the High Arctic. In the smaller communities, when they try to get insurance, they can only get insurance through the telephone.
People that live in the higher communities, who try to apply for insurance have to ask for it through the telephone, and this can be quite costly. Those who live in the smaller communities, who have to get insurance for their motor vehicles, are charged rates that are the same as those who are living close to highways. I think that this will have to be looked into further, because this is quite unfair to the smaller communities.
For instance, if I were to live in Grise Fiord and wanted to get insurance, I would have to call Yellowknife or Churchill, Manitoba, and these are long distances from my community. I am already paying the cost of long distance phone calls. If you are not covered by insurance, we cannot drive. I think we will have to look into this Insurance Act further, and improve, or amend, the bill. For that reason, I will be supporting the amendment to the bill. The tentative effective date is 1994, I will be voting against the motion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Any other general comments? To the motion.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.
---Carried
Clause 5, as amended. Agreed?
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
Bill 9: An Act To Amend The Insurance ActCommittee Motion 182-12(2): To Amend Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Insurance Act
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Bill as a whole. Agreed?