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Further Return To Question 166-12(4): Financial Assistance To Family Of Missing Hunter From Arviat
Question 166-12(4): Financial Assistance To Family Of Missing Hunter From Arviat
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford.

Question 167-12(4): Departmental Review Of Language Proposals
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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. It relates to the lapse of money for French language programs and other matters. It has been my understanding that any proposals that were put forward by L'Association des Parents Franco de Yellowknife and the Federation Franco-Tenoise deal with education and language matters. They are scrutinized by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment prior to forwarding them on to Heritage Canada for funding. Often, it is felt that they are pared down. By the time they reach Heritage Canada, who also takes a cut at them, there is not much left. This may have contributed to some of the lapse in funding in the past. Can the Minister assure the people responsible, that this procedure will be reviewed in order that the proposals are as close as possible to their original state when they reach Heritage Canada, and avoid any kind of lapse in the future.

Question 167-12(4): Departmental Review Of Language Proposals
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to assure the honourable Member that we will do everything possible to ensure that the financial resources requested by the Yellowknife French Parents' Association or the Association Franco-Tenoise receive the kind of support necessary from my department. Just to suggest, though, that it's my belief that a closer working relationship with both organizations will only improve the presentations that we make cooperatively to the Government of Canada. Also, we will support those presentations.

Return To Question 167-12(4): Departmental Review Of Language Proposals
Question 167-12(4): Departmental Review Of Language Proposals
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice tabled a report on Monday. However, in reviewing the report at great length, there was a statement that has concerned me and it states, and I'd like to quote, "most recently in fact, some youths completing open custody dispositions, proved to be more dangerous to others, in and outside of the facility, than those youth serving secure dispositions." I found this to be quite a startling statement and I'd like to ask the Minister, how have these youths proved to be more dangerous? Is the Minister indicating that there is a flaw in the sentencing of these individuals? Thank you.

Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, arising out of the question asked by the Member for Thebacha, there is going to be a report made available to Members of this House regarding the incidents involving young offenders, both in secure custody and open custody. There have been a number of incidents in the last few months that were caused by young offenders in the custody of corrections. It's our view that in many cases, incidents involving violence, escapes or unlawful custody, arise out of acts by these young offenders, with no indication whatsoever from their previous behaviour or actions that would have anybody believe that they would act in such a way. There is no blame pointed at the courts for sentencing the way they do. It's simply a statement recognizing -- and I think the courts recognize themselves -- that many young offenders who are sentenced to open custody give no one an indication that they would be planning to run away, to break out of these facilities at a later date or to commit acts of violence. It's simply an observation that we all make. The specifics of the incidents that the Member raised the other day, rising out of incidents at the Hay River facility and the River Ridge facility, will be made available in the next few days for Members to review and, if they wish, to continue raising concerns in this House. Thank you.

Return To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I'm not talking about the incident that happened at River Ridge. It's obvious the Minister failed to listen to my question. Mr. Speaker, I questioned the Minister on the report that he tabled in this House on Monday. Mr. Speaker, on page two of the report -- and I'll quote again my initial question since it didn't get an answer -- one of the statements is, "most recently in fact, some youths completing open custody dispositions proved to be more dangerous to others in and outside the facility than those youths serving secure dispositions." As I stated, I find this to be quite a startling statement to make of young offenders. I'd like to ask the Minister whether by making a statement like this that he's tabling in this House, reporting to the public, is there a flaw in the sentencing of these types of individuals? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Yes. Mr. Speaker, that was a very long winded preamble, with a short question at the end. I tried to pay attention, diligently, through the whole thing. Now let me see if I have it clear. The Member is asking me if I find fault with the court sentencing of young offenders in the way in which they pass sentence. Mr. Speaker, just for the record, I find no fault with the way the courts have been passing down sentence.

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Further Return To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you. I'd like to ask the Minister then, why in his report did he state that some youths completing open custody dispositions proved to be more dangerous to others in and outside the facility than the youths who are serving secure disposition? Why did he make such a statement?

Supplementary To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I've indicated there is going to be a report that will, more succinctly than I ever could, more clearly than I could, at least for the Members here, indicate how we view the recent incidents which the Member has raised concern with, and show as an observation that some of the more serious incidents arising out of actions by young offenders came from those sentenced to open custody and not secure custody. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, it's obvious to me that the Minister probably didn't even read his report before he tabled it in the House. I find, Mr. Speaker, this report quite unacceptable. It certainly raises many questions if Members ever take the time to read the report. It's no doubt that the report was written to support the decision made by the Minister, he states that this decision is working. I would like to ask the Minister whether he would commit to an independent review of the success of the triple designation of these facilities, to be able to develop a report for this House. Not a biased report by his department, but an independent review. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the report was what the Member asked for. It lays out that it does not conflict with any legislation or recent court rulings to triple designate facilities for the care of young offenders. As far as the staff of those facilities are concerned, the managers and the staff, the senior people within corrections, the Department of Justice and other jurisdictions in Canada who have operated these types of facilities for a longer period of time, it is fully in line with the public interest and the way that governments are compelled to take care of young offenders. It is fully in line with what managers and staff of these facilities feel they are able and capable of delivering for those they are held responsible for.

We feel it fully meets the needs of the young offenders in the way that present legislation directs us to care and give guidance to those young offenders in our care. I believe it isn't necessary to continue reviewing. There is a great job that needs to be done. I believe the Member wants to spend public money trying to find some minute fault in the system that we are trying very hard to improve. I find it difficult in finding a way to support that. I say that, by all indications, it is a good system. The staff have adapted well to it and they feel challenged by it. At this time, the reviews do not give any indication that there are any weaknesses or deficiencies in the way we decided to move. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
Question 168-12(4): Statements In River Ridge Young Offender Facility Report
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I would like to bring to the attention of Members that I've allowed a certain amount of flexibility in both the preambles to questions Members have asked and the length of time that Ministers have responded in. I don't think the rules should provide a barrier to debate. Much like a hockey referee, the less you see of the referee, the better the game. But I would ask Members to respect the rules, to keep the length of their preambles down, and I'll ask Ministers to also respect the rules and keep their responses short and factual. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Patterson.

Question 169-12(4): Actions To Address Low Wages Of Alcohol And Drug Workers
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you. I have a short, precise question to the Minister of Social Services. In light of this Assembly's strong concern about the low wages of alcohol and drug workers, what concrete action has the Minister of Social Services taken to address this issue since her appointment approximately a year ago? Thank you.

Question 169-12(4): Actions To Address Low Wages Of Alcohol And Drug Workers
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister Mike.

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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Alcohol and drug workers did receive a 17.01 per cent increase in salaries a year ago that was retroactive to April 1, 1992. During committee of the whole, I informed the Member that the department is doing everything it can to identify the required amount of dollars to increase their wages. I told him with no new revenues coming in, and with the restraint we're under, it has been very difficult. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.