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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Are there any other general comments? Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the arts and crafts, such as carvings, provide a major source of income for many of the carvers in the smaller communities. In fact, thereby making welfare dependency to a minimum in places such as Gjoa Haven, Taloyoak, Pelly Bay and I am sure in other smaller communities within the territories. We have a group in Gjoa Haven who started a carving shop on their own initiative and using their own money. Up to this point in time I know they are not wholly developed yet. They still have some money problems, as most of the businesses in the territories have, in the early stages of developing to a full extent. I would

like to ask the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism if the department has a policy to provide financial assistance to a group such as the one in Gjoa Haven?

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, depending on the kind of funding they require, there are a number of different avenues they can take with us. I will undertake to see that our people in Gjoa Haven get together with this group to see if we can address their needs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the Minister for his response to my question. It is my understanding from the Minister's response that the Minister will be instructing his staff to meet with the group in Gjoa Haven. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, I think we are already working with them. If it is not going well, then I will see if we can improve the situation. If they are a bona fide group, we are working with them and they have a good idea then I do not see why they would not qualify to be able to access our programs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. During the session before Christmas I talked about acquiring a building from the Department of Public Works, and they are already utilizing that building to the fullest. They even have their own inventory in that community, a very good stock of carvings. I am sure Economic Development and Tourism will be making every effort to provide financial assistance. That was just a point. Thank you.

Business Development

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. I do not believe there was a question there. That was just a general comment. We are on business development, general comments. The next on the list was Mr. Dent. Mr. Zoe, we did go past tourism and parks, we are on general comments on business development, however we can return to tourism and parks if you wish. But, while we are still on business development, Mr. Dent... Mr. Dent on business development.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Is it my turn now? Thanks, Mr. Chairman. My questions are on page 15-13, business development. I was encouraged earlier to hear the Minister reply to Mr. Lewis that there is a great deal of entrepreneurial spirit out there and that the department is looking for ways or things for it to do. I am a little concerned when I take a look at how this budget in the course of two years has been cut by more than one third, from $29.5 million to $18.788 million in total expenditures. It just does not seem to mesh with the department being out there looking for things for the entrepreneurs to do. This is the area where business counselling is providing contributions, loans and grants. Could the Minister address how it is that the department is actually doing this seeking out of the wide entrepreneurial spirit that is out there when, in fact, the budget is being reduced so significantly?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Minister Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, part of the decrease is in the area of capital, and that is some $4 million. Members will recall that the capital budget for the development corporation this year, or the funding provided to the development corporation from ED&T's capital budget this year will be $6 million. So, there is a $4 million drop. Mr. Chairman, the development corporation has many assets out there and many partnerships right now, joint ventures and all kinds of things going on. I have said to this House before that I do not want to see this thing get so large and become unmanageable and start to fall down. I would rather consolidate what we have out there and do a very good job at keeping those people employed and keeping those businesses going, than getting too large and not being able to handle it. So, that is where $4 million has gone.

When we turned over all of our enterprises to the development corporation, you will see a reduction in other O and M because our enterprises are gone which the department used to handle. That is all with the development corporation now, except for one that is still in limbo at the present time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

I take it from the Minister's answer that nearly $5 million was formerly used as subsidies for businesses that were operated and that this is now coming out of the development corporation. If that is the case, would that indicate that the $6 million capital contribution this year will almost totally be eaten up by business subsidies which will be the same level as what was happening in 1991-92 and that we are not actually any further ahead?

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

No, I think, Mr. Chairman, we will still be making some investments this year through the development corporation. We just will not have as much as we have had in previous years. I would advise Members that the development corporation is getting fairly large and I would like to see all those things operating properly, all those things operating efficiently before we start to tack on more and overload the ability of us to handle those particular ventures. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think most Members in this House would want to be sure that the money was being invested wisely when there is not much money to throw around. I think, as Mr. Lewis was saying earlier, we want to make sure there is some assistance for those individuals and groups who are showing entrepreneurial spirit. Members will

be watching very closely to see that spirit nurtured by the department and the development corporation. That was not a question, Mr. Chairman, just a comment.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you very much for your comment, Mr. Dent. Mr. Zoe, do you wish to return to tourism and parks?

Tourism And Parks

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, yes, I would like to return to tourism and parks. I think tourism and parks is a prime candidate for privatization. What is the status of privatizing this activity or components of it? I notice there is a great deal in this tourism and parks activity.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. The question, Mr. Pollard, is under tourism and parks.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, it is part of the privatization package that FMB and Cabinet will look at later on this month. We have already agreed to report to the Standing Committee on Finance on that. Yes, we feel the same, that it has good potential for privatization and it is one of the things that is on the menu. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Pollard. Mr. Zoe.