Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the financial impact summary and in one of the responses made by the Minister of Personnel, visits will be made to each household where there is a government tenant. The purpose of these visits is to do an energy audit on the units, to remeasure them where necessary and listen to the concerns of the tenants. The Minister of Finance just mentioned it is going to take perhaps 18 months and a considerable amount of effort. However, in the financial impact summary this effort and the cost of doing these visits and energy audits is not reflected. I know it will involve staff travelling, it will involve airfare, accommodation, meals and possibly extra staff. I am not sure what this government has in

terms of energy efficient auditors. We used to have them, I am not sure if we still have them. How much or what is the projected expenditure to do these appraisals and energy work?

Thank you. Mr. Minister, would you like to have a staff member respond? Mr. Kakfwi.

Mr. Koe.

In terms of doing energy audits, from the circumstances I know about, many of the houses are old and energy inefficient. It may take and will take considerable time to do this type of work in all the communities, let alone the larger ones where there are many units. Does the Minister have any indication or any idea of how long all these visits, to do energy audits, to remeasure units, are going to take?

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

Are there any general comments? Mr. Koe.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the document, the financial impact summary, the revised numbers indicate a net increase, if the plan goes ahead as projected and in the time frames which have been indicated so far. Net increases in revenues are about $1.5 million and projected estimated savings from other areas, water, sewer and power, is about $4 million.

Last Thursday, the Minister said in the House that the strategy will make it possible for private developers to have confidence in developing accommodation for people in the private market. I believe that in level II and III communities the government guarantees occupancy for a certain number of units and pays the difference between the staff housing rates and the actual private market rates. In preparing the projected financial impact summary and the project expenditures, were the costs of paying the developer the difference in rates between the staff housing market and private market rental rate taken into consideration? Thank you.

Mr. Kakfwi.

Mr. Pollard.

Mr. Chairman, none of those numbers are included in this financial impact summary. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Are there any general comments? Mr. Pudlat.

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a question and a comment. Mr. Chairman, first of all I will direct my question to the Minister. On the staff housing strategy, after the assessment the strategy was set. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Minister what kind of results came out of the assessment on the staff housing strategy? (English not provided)

We are told we are not getting translation.

(Translation) The winters here in Yellowknife are shorter than in the eastern Arctic. I am not aware of which houses are older in which areas, but I think when you are going to be dealing with how much each unit costs per month, you will have to check the units to see if they will be using more fuel for heating. I think many of the older units need to be checked to see if they are using too much heat. I am not aware if the eastern Arctic communities have been informed on the utility rate increases. My question was with regard to consulting with the communities regarding... (English not provided). Perhaps, you would indicate to eastern Arctic communities of the utility rates of the staff houses. I would like to know when the results will come out of the assessment on utility rates?

Mr. Kakfwi.

Mr. Pudlat.

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will make my supplementary brief. With regard to the policy to

increase the utility rates, is there a possibility of changing the rates after they have been assessed? Thank you.

Mr. Minister.

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Patterson.