This is page numbers 877 - 900 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Question 478-12(3): Installation Of Telephones For Seals In Arctic Ocean
Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. PanArctic takes a stand that they felt dumping in the ocean of scrap metal is not a big deal because they said they have never received any complaints. I will ask my question to the Minister of Government Services. Will Government Services instruct NorthwesTel to install phone lines in the ocean so that seals and other marine mammals will have equal access to be able to make complaints to PanArctic? Since human beings do not live there, I do not think they will receive any complaints

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Question 478-12(3): Installation Of Telephones For Seals In Arctic Ocean
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The wonders of modern technology. Mr. Morin.

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Question 478-12(3): Installation Of Telephones For Seals In Arctic Ocean
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will seek advice from the Minister of Renewable Resources to see if those animals can use telephone services. Thank you.

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Question 478-12(3): Installation Of Telephones For Seals In Arctic Ocean
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

March 11th, 1993

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Justice. Mr. Speaker, in framing these questions I want to advise you that I have been mindful of your ruling on February 23, which indicated we should take concern when asking questions about individuals. However, I seem to be getting some concerns expressed by my constituents on how this issue is addressed.

Mr. Speaker, on Thursday, February 18, my honourable colleague for Deh Cho asked a series of questions about services which are being provided to a particular inmate within the territorial correctional system. This particular inmate was previously one of the senior officials with the territorial government. During the sentence hearing of this inmate, the lawyers indicated there was a specific need for counselling which could be best through a continued contact in Toronto with a therapist. This is certainly on public record. It was also stated during the sentence hearing that special needs were so great that the sentence ought to take them into consideration.

Recognizing that the courts were told it was so necessary for this previous civil servant who had defrauded the government in excess of a quarter of a million dollars to be incarcerated in a location where she could be seen by her therapist. I would like to ask the Minister to explain why she has been retained in the Fort Smith correctional centre rather than being transferred to Ontario? Thank you.

Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the short answer to it is that the courts when passing sentence give certain instructions. In this case the court, or the judge as far as I know has not issued specific instructions with regard to some of the suggestions made by the lawyers during the proceedings. As I have indicated earlier, once the person is sentenced they become the responsibility, and in this case, of Corrections Canada. By legislation and in keeping with their philosophy, both Corrections Canada and the territorial government's correctional system worked together to decide where the best location for this particular inmate would be. With the advice and full support of Corrections Canada it was decided to use the exchange agreement to have the particular inmate placed in the facility in Fort Smith.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

With all due respect, Mr. Speaker, I hear comments from women and particularly from native women that if this was a native woman she would be in a penitentiary down south. Mr. Speaker, the Minister stated that the responsibility is of Corrections Canada and at this time he is trying to work together with the NWT corrections and the justice system. Recognizing this is a federal inmate who plead guilty to one of the largest misappropriation of funds in the history of the territorial public service, and recognizing that her sentence specifically took into account the need to send out a message of general deterrence to others who might be tempted to commit this sort of breach, I would like to ask the Minister if his officials have considered the kind of image our territorial corrections system is creating by the fact that this past civil servant is now attending Arctic College and travelling around the community unsupervised? Thank you.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell, I think you are asking the opinion of the Minister. Perhaps you would like to rephrase that question. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If my question is not meant to intend to ask for an opinion of the Minister, it is to indicate the policies which are being developed to be implemented in the general justice system do not give deterrence to avoid this type of crime to reoccur. What have the Minister's officials done to assure the public that the justice system will address people who have committed crimes in the territories, to ensure that justice is done when crimes are being sentenced? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the court system dealt with this particular individual. There was due process followed and a sentence was passed. Through our correctional system, we worked with the federal correctional people to work out what we thought was an acceptable arrangement for this specific individual. Whether we think the sentence was punishing enough, whether we thought it reflects enough hurt and whatever else people may feel should be inflicted on the individuals who perpetuate crimes is really not an issue here. The location of the institution may be more of an issue if the Member's constituents take particular exception to this institution sitting in the midst of their tranquil community. If they are upset about what they see as high risk inmates running around their community, going to the educational institution which is also located there, then that is a different issue. That can be addressed, possibly, in another way.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the issue is not the fact that my constituents are concerned of a high risk inmate in the

community. I do not appreciate the motive which is being imputed by the Minister. Mr. Speaker, the issue at hand is the fact of what is the Justice department doing to deter future individuals who may be in the civil service from committing such crimes? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the federal government is still responsible for prosecutions. It is the federal government which lays charges. Thank you.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Your final supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Supplementary To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary will be a repeat of my last question because the Minister has not answered. I would like to ask the Minister, what is his department, the Department of Justice, the division of corrections, doing to avoid crimes such as this from being committed in the future? What type of deterrents do you have in your justice system from avoiding this reoccurring? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the territorial justice system is not the agency which is set up with the sole mandate of deterring people from committing crimes. Our mandate more specifically focuses on dealing with people who commit crimes and are dealt with by the courts. There is some work we are trying to do in some of the areas, but much of the work remains in Education, Social Services, Health and in many of the other programs of the government. The question is so broad and general that I simply cannot answer it.

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Question 479-12(3): Explanation Of Treatment Of Inmate In Fort Smith
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Patterson.

Question 480-12(3): Indexing Of Rental Rates And Utility Charges
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am quite pleased with the debate and constructive nature of the debate on the changes committed to by the government yesterday in the long-term staff housing strategy. I was pleased to hear the Minister of Personnel say yesterday that he thought the majority of committee recommendations made could be addressed and met by the government. I would like to ask about one area of the motion in which the Minister of Personnel did not comment, and that is the need to index the rental rates and utility charges to reflect differences in climate and costs in the various communities. Could I ask the Minister how he sees that issue being addressed by the government from here on? Thank you.

Question 480-12(3): Indexing Of Rental Rates And Utility Charges
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Personnel, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Question 480-12(3): Indexing Of Rental Rates And Utility Charges
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I indicated to the Member yesterday in a private conversation that we should be careful not to take over the collective negotiations on behalf of the unions and employees here in the Legislature because the issue of salaries, settlement allowances, vacation travel assistance, other benefits as well as many of the other issues that affect the benefits and salaries of employees are negotiated by the unions at the appropriate time with the government. Such things like the settlement allowance, for instance, are used to offset the different costs of living in different areas of the north. There will be some evening out of benefits. The Member knows it will be up to the unions to decide when negotiations commence, and where the limited dollars, which the government may have to offer in the course of negotiations, will be best used. If they choose to put it all in vacation travel assistance or in settlement allowances then there will not be much money for salary levels. Again, the pay equity issue is a huge outstanding issue that can affect not only the union negotiations but the entire fiscal position of this government. We have responded as a government. The response I gave in the course of the debate on the motion, I think, was clear. That is the extent to which the government is prepared to make changes. It has been done in consultation with the MLAs, I think that is a fair way to proceed and that is the way we are going to leave it at this time. Thank you.