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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, it was never the intention of the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges to require these petitions to be responded to. They would have been separate from other petitions which are being filed by Members, the way we have been doing it under the existing rules. It was a thought that this method would provide a mechanism for the public, but in the interest of the committee, which wants to have further discussion on this issue, I will just withdraw my motion, Mr. Chairman. I will continue on with the report.

---Withdrawn

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Zoe has withdrawn Committee Motion 7-12(3). The chair recognizes Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know Mr. Zoe has withdrawn his recommendation, but if he is going to review it, perhaps he could also review recommendations seven and eight. It says that a petition be referred to a standing or special committee and reported to the Assembly.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Zoe, do you wish to continue?

Security

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

It was suggested to the standing committee that consideration be given to a tightening of the rules with respect to security and the objects that are allowed to be carried into the chamber.

The committee discussed this issue, and is of the opinion that rules changes are not necessary at this time. The committee understands that the new building, which will soon accommodate the Legislative Assembly, may be better equipped to meet any concerns respecting security.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

Cultural Issues

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Several suggestions were made to the committee with respect to the cultural relevance of proceedings of the Legislative Assembly. The committee recognizes that the membership of the Legislative Assembly reflects the cultural diversity of the people that we represent. That is one of our strengths. Within this diversity there are also many areas of common ground.

The committee holds the view that it would be appropriate to amend the rules to better reflect this cultural diversity. While many of the traditions of Parliament are valuable and respected, aboriginal values might be better reflected within our rules.

The standing committee considered this issue in detail, but recognizes that further discussion is required among all Members of the Assembly before amendments are incorporated within the rules. Therefore, the committee is not prepared to make any specific recommendations on this issue at present. However, the committee is willing to give further consideration to these issues, and would welcome any further suggestions by Members. At this time, Mr. Chairman, we propose some specific subjects for further discussion.

Some Members of the Legislative Assembly expressed a view to the standing committee that the requirement to bow to the mace should no longer be included within our rules. The committee recognizes that the symbol of the mace reflects the right of people to govern themselves freely. As well, the mace used by our Assembly uniquely incorporates many symbols of the history and culture of the people of the Northwest Territories, including copper from the central Arctic, whalebone carvings of northern wildlife and people, musk-ox horns, narwhal tusk, gold and porcupine quill work.

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

The standing committee also recognizes that should the requirement to bow be removed, those who choose to continue to recognize the symbol of the mace by bowing may do so. The mace could continue to function in its current role in House proceedings.

The standing committee is of the view that further consideration should be given to the means by which the Assembly acknowledges the authority of the Members to govern within the chamber.

The standing committee also discussed options by which proceedings of the Assembly might better reflect the tradition of aboriginal people. The committee noted that the fire is symbolic for significant gatherings of people in aboriginal culture throughout the Northwest Territories. The standing committee is of the opinion that consideration should be given as to how the proceedings of the Assembly could embody this symbol.

Other symbols presently used in the Legislative Assembly were also raised for the standing committee's review, including the bells and the dress of the Speaker and the Clerks.

Consideration was given to the possibility of dress that would reflect aboriginal traditions. The committee recognizes that the current dress of the Clerks hold some symbolism, as does the mace, and is mindful that this Assembly represents all groups who make the Northwest Territories their home. It is also important that there be a distinction within the Chamber between the elected Members and the Clerks who serve and advise the House, and a difference in dress is appropriate.

It was also suggested to the standing committee that drums, in alternating styles, might be used instead of the bells to call Members to the House. The committee is of the view that this option is also worthy of further consideration.

The standing committee recognizes that rule changes are not necessary in order to make alternations to the decor of the Assembly, or the dress of House officers. As these matters fall within the legal responsibility of the Management and Services Board pursuant to section 37(1) of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, they might properly be given further consideration by the board.

Gender Bias, Grammatical Inconsistencies And Simplification Of The Rules

The Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges included a focus on eliminating grammatical inconsistencies and gender bias during its comprehensive review of the rules. The committee is also of the view that the rules should be examined with the objective of using simple and direct language.

The standing committee feels that the rules of the Assembly should not be drafted as if they were legislation, but should be in plain language so that they may be readily understandable by Members and by the public. Plain language would also make translation of the rules considerably easier. The standing committee has been reviewing the rules with these objectives in mind.

The standing committee is of the view that a redrafting of the rules, to be presented to the Assembly for approval in the form of a new rule book, is the most appropriate means of accomplishing these goals. The new rule book could be presented to the Assembly during this session, and would include revisions to correct grammatical inconsistencies and gender bias, and to simplify the language and sentence structure of the rules. The new rule book would also include the amendments recommended within this report that have been approved by the Assembly.

Committee Motion 121-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 8
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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that a new rule book be drafted and presented to the Assembly for approval prior to the conclusion of the Third Session;

And further, that the rule book incorporate the amendments approved by the Assembly from this report; And further, that the rule book incorporate revisions to correct grammatical inconsistencies and gender bias within the rules;

And further, that the rule book incorporate revisions to simplify the rules.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. We have a motion. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That concludes the final report on the comprehensive review of the rules of the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and Privileges. Mahsi.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Mahsi cho, Mr. Zoe.

---Applause

Does the committee agree that Committee Report 16-12(3), Final Report on the Comprehensive Review of the Rules, is concluded?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

We have agreement. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Chairman, I would like to suggest we hear the opening remarks from the Minister of the Housing Corporation, resuming with Bill 17.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Does the committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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Some Hon. Members

Northwest Territories Housing Corporation

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

We have agreement. Is the Minister of the Housing Corporation prepared to give his opening remarks?

Introductory Remarks

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Legislative Assembly, today I am pleased to present the 1993-94 O and M budget for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

The fiscal year 1993-94 will be a landmark year for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. Many of the new initiatives that were developed in 1992-93 will be implemented.

One of the most important and exciting initiatives is the access to home ownership programs approved by this House in December. The first access units will be delivered across the NWT this spring and summer.

Public reaction to the access to home ownership programs has been very positive. District staff have held public meetings in 56 communities, and we have over 1,000 applications from interested families.

District staff are now meeting individually with these families as part of the corporation's "one-stop shopping" service. Applicants are receiving information and counselling about the different programs that are offered by the Housing Corporation. This allows families to choose the program that best fits their needs and financial situation.

All in all, 427 families will receive some form of home ownership assistance from the corporation in 1993-94. This is much more assistance than we expected to be able to provide, given the deep cuts to CMHC funding, Mr. Chairman, but I know it is not enough. New program options are being developed to try to assist as many families as we possibly can to become home owners.

The access to home ownership programs were designed to meet the housing needs of a broader range of northern families. We will be monitoring the access programs very closely this year, to make sure we identify any problems with the programs. If changes are needed, they will be made.

Mr. Chairman, we have to make sure we listen to the people in the communities and that we pay attention to what they tell us about how our programs are working. The corporation will implement an expanded consultation framework in 1993-94. Last December, Members passed motions endorsing the consultation framework, and recommending that it be implemented in 1993-94.

I would like to thank the Members of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions for their help with developing the consultation framework. When we presented the proposal for the consultation framework to the standing committee, Members suggested a number of changes. The consultation framework was revised to include their suggestions, and I believe it will be more effective as a result.

The consultation framework will provide more opportunities for public input. We will be holding an annual public meeting in each community to deal with people's housing concerns. In addition to the public, representatives from the local housing organization, community government, band council, Metis local and community development corporation will be invited to attend these meetings.

We will also hold an annual meeting in each district with representatives from the community housing organizations. If a community does not have a housing organization, representatives of the community government, band council and Metis local will be invited to attend. These meetings will deal with regional housing concerns.

Mr. Chairman, meetings are already held in communities on a regular basis, and also at the regional level. We will simply be expanding these existing forums to include more representatives from communities.

Another key part of the consultation framework is the formation of an Advisory Committee on Social Housing to ensure the input of MLAs on territorial-wide social housing issues. I have tabled terms of reference for this committee, and given notice of motion to establish it as soon as possible. Advisory committee Members will be asked to advise us on the policies and programs of the Housing Corporation and will be kept up-to-date on territorial-wide social housing issues.

I am looking forward to working with the advisory committee. I think it is a very positive development in our Legislative Assembly. I have always said that housing is everybody's problem and no one person has all the answers. I welcome the opportunity to work with Members on the advisory committee and I know our housing programs and policies will be better because of their advice.

A review of the public housing rent scale has begun. The present rent scale was designed in 1983 and has not changed since. Changes are needed, Mr. Chairman, because there are some serious problems with the current rent scale that must be resolved. These problems include:

- The current scale is not fair and equitable. There are unfair differences in some of the rents charged within and between communities.

- The current scale does not encourage home ownership.

- The current scale does not reduce rent enough for working families with low incomes.

- CMHC does not accept the NWT rental scale, and reduces its funding to the corporation as a result.

I hope to release a discussion paper on the proposed new rent scale during this session. If the House rises early, the discussion paper will be circulated to all Members, housing associations, authorities and the public. I plan to work closely with Members of the Legislative Assembly, the Advisory Committee on Social Housing, and the communities on this issue.

I want to assure Members and the public that we will take time to explain the changes we feel are needed, both to this House and to the people in the communities. Meetings will be held in each community, with the local housing organization, community governments, and the public to explain why and how the rent scale needs to change.

The consultation framework I proposed to Members last December is already being implemented. Public meetings were held in all communities in December and January to introduce the access programs, and to share information with the communities about the results of the 1992 needs survey. District staff also explained how the needs study results affected the number of homes the communities receive. It is important to us that the public understand what the allocation process is based on and how the Housing Corporation makes these decisions. This is an important part of our consultation process.

The corporation is also doing more to support northern and local construction companies this year. In 1992-93, the corporation originally planned to deliver 12 rent supplement units in Yellowknife. We actually delivered 60 rent supplement units in five communities in 1992-93, Mr. Chairman. The rent supplement allocation was expanded so we could maximize the economic benefits associated with the program in more communities. In 1993-94, we will deliver 121 rent supplement units in 16 communities.

Not only does the rent supplement program allow the Housing Corporation to do more with less, it also provides a number of important business opportunities to northern companies and community development corporations. We will be combining staff housing requirements with public housing needs to create more attractive opportunities for local and northern developers.

Mr. Chairman, the Housing Corporation has been working actively with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, as well as the Department of Government Services and Public Works, on a training strategy. The purpose of this strategy will be to take maximum advantage of the building construction-related opportunities for training and for employment at the local level. The strategy is nearing completion, and I expect to be able to make a Minister's statement on the strategy before the end of this session.

Mr. Chairman, as I advised the Standing Committee on Finance in January, these are all positive steps forward in the way the corporation provides homes. We must all bear in mind, however, that unless we receive enough money to do the job, we will still have a serious shortage of housing on our hands, as well as the health, social, educational and other problems that are a consequence of a housing shortage.

The Government Leader had also planned to raise this issue in her meeting with the Prime Minister. It is very unfortunate that this meeting has been deferred, but the proposed CMHC cuts will remain on the agenda for the Government Leader's meeting with the Prime Minister when it does take place.

I know Members are very concerned and disappointed about the threat of further CMHC funding cuts. I share this disappointment and concern. I will make a Minister's statement on the status of the funding cuts as soon as the numbers are confirmed by the federal Minister. I assure you we will not take any new cuts laying down.

I would like to bring your attention to the report of the federal Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs. The standing committee's report, "A time for Action: Aboriginal and Northern Housing" was released this past December. I spoke to this committee on behalf of the NWT, and I can report to you that they listened to our concerns. The committee has recognized our immediate and critical shortage, and has recommended that, at the very least, the 1992 federal funding level be reinstated. I will ensure the federal government is kept aware of the recommendations of the standing committee.

Mr. Chairman, this sums up the key activities of the NWT Housing Corporation for 1993-94. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today. I would be pleased to answer any questions the committee may have. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Morin. The Standing Committee on Finance will now present its report. Mr. Arvaluk.

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